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何も食べずにそんなにお酒を飲むと当然酔っ払いますよ。 - question about the first に - Virtua_Leaf - 2008-04-07
Hi there. I can't seem to work out the meaning of the first に in the titular sentence. Could someone clarify for me?
I got it from here: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/negverb2.html
Thanks. And as a side, is it possible to name all the English equivalents of に as a particle? So far I got "to", "for" and "by".
何も食べずにそんなにお酒を飲むと当然酔っ払いますよ。 - question about the first に - pm215 - 2008-04-07
ずに is the formal allternative to ~ないで (usable in those cases where ~ないでmeans 'and'). I hadn't realised you could use the ず form without に before this :-)
Quote:is it possible to name all the English equivalents of に as a particle? So far I got "to", "for" and "by".I don't personally see much point in trying to make up a list like that -- you'll only get bitten by the edge cases where the two languages don't match properly. The Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar divides the various uses of に as follows, starting from the core idea of 'contact':
4. Direct Contact -- 黒板に絵を描いた。
6. Locational existence (derived from 4) -- ここに電話がある。
7. Direction -- 私はロンドンに行った。
5. Purpose (derived from 7) -- 僕は魚を買いに行った。
2. Indirect object -- 太郎は花子に本を貸した。
3. Source/Agent -- ボブはメアリーに切符をもらった。
1. Point of time 二時に友達が来た。
(The numbering and ordering is as per the DBJG; I don't know why they mix it up like that.)
何も食べずにそんなにお酒を飲むと当然酔っ払いますよ。 - question about the first に - Virtua_Leaf - 2008-04-07
pm215 Wrote:ずに is the formal allternative to ~ないで (usable in those cases where ~ないでmeans 'and'). I hadn't realised you could use the ず form without に before this :-)Is that so? Well that'd explain it. Thanks!
pm215 Wrote:The Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar divides the various uses of に as follows, starting from the core idea of 'contact':Christ that's handy to know. I'll definitely give that list a save. :-)