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One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 Tuttle Learning Chinese Characters Volume 1: A Revolutionary New Way to Learn and Remember the 800 Most Basic Chinese Characters "Volume 1 uses mnemonics (like Heisig) in order to teach the meaning, the stroke order and the pronunciation of over 800 characters and about 1400 compound words (everything you need for HSK level A plus some additional common characters). As opposed to Heisig, this book gives stories for every single character as well as an extra story for the pronunciation. Each story is very short and about half of the stories include an image. The book is excellent and applies very well to Chinese (unlike Heisig's book about hanzi)." Sprachprofi is an active member in HTLAL. She says: Sprachprofi Wrote:I so wish I had had this book when starting to learn Chinese! While studying on my own, I was fascinated with Chinese characters, but I never managed to retain them. During an immersion course in Beijing, I learned to memorize Chinese characters by rote, just writing them over and over again - it worked for the 6 weeks I was there since I had classes every day and used the characters a lot. However, back home and only studying Chinese once a week or so, I quickly forgot all but the most common ones again. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - Jarvik7 - 2009-06-10 Level A is just the grade of the kyuu. It just depends on the total score you get. 800 hanzi is actually just basic kyuu, the equivalent of jlpt4. Advanced kyuu is 2865 hanzi. I'll keep an eye out for this though. If it has a system for tones it may be worth it. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - liosama - 2009-06-10 Ok Jarv lol, I think the answer to your question is a No. ![]() I doubt this would be efficient at all, I mean it reminds me of this guy who used to make stories here that were a crock of shit. Don't get me wrong, I love to hear about new methods and what not, but I do think people get a little materialistic with these sorts of things. There is a point where we can do nothing but raw memorisation, I ain't no acoustic psychologist but I don't see the point in associating an extra story just for learning the sound, when I can learn the sound directly. It may work fine for N = 1 to 10 or something characters, but when you take N to 100, 200,... 3000 the algorithm will be inefficient
One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 Jarvik7 Wrote:800 hanzi is actually just basic kyuu, the equivalent of jlpt4. Advanced kyuu is 2865 hanzi.I know, but remember it is volume 1. Volume 2 will come out soon. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - danieldesu - 2009-06-10 I am learning the characters for Chinese and my system is to just incorporate the tone as one element of the story. Basically, I assigned a meaning to each tone, and make sure to consistently use it. * For 1st tone, there must be an image of something stretching out, like an arm or a gaze * For 2nd tone, there will be an image of something being lifted * For 3rd tone, something in the story will be upside-down * For the 4th tone, something in the story will be falling/tripping/dropping Since I already know the radicals (or am able to make up names for the new ones), it has been easy enough to just go through a frequency list in order. The one I am using is http://www.zein.se/patrick/3000char.html If I already know a word from my listening practice, then the pronunciation is super easy, but if not, I use a variety of methods to remember it. One is using something in the story that sounds like it (shu: shoe, zhan: John), another is to relate the hanzi to another with the same pronunciation that I already know (原:yuan, 員:yuan). One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 The book includes special mnemonics for tones. You can browse a large part of this great book from Google Book or this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=YweFHwPd05EC&dq=%22Revolutionary+New+Way+to+Learn%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=71GVwKWalu&sig=BpLF1VR75kGNEVAuXGeDt_nw8qk&hl=en&ei=hqItSpKHAuDcmQfP4IHmCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA15,M1 One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 Read page 18 in the link above for tones. By the way, is there any way to download from Google Books? One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - mentat_kgs - 2009-06-10 About the simplified stuff. They are most common in China. In Taiwan and Hong Kong this is not true. Simplified X Traditional depends of course of where you want to go, and what you want to do. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - HerrPetersen - 2009-06-10 I have played around with mnemonics for tones but found out that for me works best: Brute force the pronounciation (without tones) and only occasionally add Heisig-style mnemonics for the tones. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - vosmiura - 2009-06-10 I like how it describes the stories process on Page 16 "More about stories". Quote:"Again, it is only the meaning you need to remember. Don't try to remember the whole story verbatim. Use the story as a bridge to get you to the meaning.That's a great explanation, and applies equally well to RTK. All too often when we see people who say Heisig is not working for them, it's because of not following this information. I like that the stories for pronunciation follow on from the story for the writing, and they have a specific keyword for the pitch. This book looks a lot better than pict-o-krapix. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - Codexus - 2009-06-10 ahibba Wrote:Sprachprofi is an active member in HTLAL. She says:Is that Judith from germanpod101? She's awesome. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 Codexus Wrote:Is that Judith from germanpod101? She's awesome.Yes, she is. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - aaronvanvalen - 2009-06-10 D'you work on commission?
One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 Codexus, you are Swiss, so you must speak German very well. But I noticed that you speak to Judith in English, why? Don't all people in Switzerland know German? One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - ahibba - 2009-06-10 aaronvanvalen Wrote:D'you work on commission?Why do you ask?
One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - Codexus - 2009-06-10 @ahibba: Haha, no unfortunately I don't know much German. I did have some lessons in school 20 years ago (I feel so old when I say that v___v) and even got good grades most of the time but that didn't mean I was learning anything beyond what was necessary for the tests. Kids in the French speaking part of Switzerland are always very reluctant to learn German. So as soon as I didn't have to continue I forgot everything. I'd like to get started again and finally learn some German but I've been trying to start too many languages at once and gave up. But at least I know that Japanese is my priority. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - thecite - 2009-06-16 Jarvik7 Wrote:Level A is just the grade of the kyuu. It just depends on the total score you get.Biang-Biang. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - lavallo - 2009-06-18 Has anybody compared RTH simplified to Tuttle and identified if all 800 HSK Hanzi are in the Heisig book? I own the Tuttle book, and in my opinion Heisig is FAR superior, so I don't have much motivation to read through the Tuttle book. I do like the way it has the 800 HSK in it though. I think Heisig is better because it forces one to be creative instead of being spoon fed. I am a college math teacher, so I really appreciate not being spoon fed information forever! Just my opinion. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - bflatnine - 2009-06-18 lavallo, there are HSK lists all over the place online. Use Heisig, then glance over an HSK list to see if there are any you didn't learn from RTH/RSH. It should be relatively painless to learn a handful of HSK A characters, especially since you'll encounter them very frequently anyway. One of the best books for Hanzi, better than Heisig - Jarvik7 - 2009-06-18 I'm sure Katsuo will bang out a non-heisig hsk list at some point. |