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Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2007-08-22

So, great Master, was that a promise?

Remembering the Hanzi.... - markl11 - 2007-08-22

Serge Wrote:In my opinion, it's a non-issue and certainly one needs to be fully proficient in both forms to be considered litterate.

I initially only concentrated on traditional forms. On my first trip to the mainland, I was unpleasantly surprised to discover that I actually did struggle to recognise some simplified forms. By my second trip this ceased to be an issue: simplification follows a few basic principles and it is very easy to make the transition from traditional to simplifed (not so vice versa, I believe). I now routinely learn both forms.
Hmmm, yes - it took me a while, but I was able to intuit meanings from context, and then it became relatively easy. But, I notice that you mention that you now learn both forms.

I think someone who intends to live/work in mainland China, and doesn't intend to live in Taiwan (where I lived), or other 'enclaves' where traditional characters are routinely used, may decide that it is just not worth the time/trouble of learning traditional characters.

I obviously learned traditional characters like you. And I am sure that my teachers in Taiwan would view me as a heretic for even suggesting that people *might* want to just learn the simplified forms, but I think it is certainly a legitimate question.

Mark

Remembering the Hanzi.... - woelpad - 2007-08-25

I can think of a couple of reasons why Fabrice will not anytime soon include the Hanzi on this site. But with the current version of the Substitute Keywords script, you can turn this website into a personal "Reviewing the Hanzi" site, however without the story sharing.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - johnzep - 2007-08-31

I thought this was kinda cool video showing the traditional vs. simplified characters (for people like me that don't know any chinese) ^_^

http://www.sonicnovel.com/Simp3.html

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2007-09-02

@woelpad I don't know if this has been adressed but after installing greasemonkey and the "substitute keyword" skript the layout of the study page has somewhat changed, but I can't click on the kanji/the keyword to change them.
(btw If I am not mistaken, the link you provided above links to the "kanji to keyword" skript)

Remembering the Hanzi.... - ファブリス - 2007-09-02

HerrPetersen It wouldn't be too hard to make another "hanzi.koohii.com", copying over everything and using a different database so stories won't get mixed. However I'd have to see a real demand for it first, and I will have to ask Heisig's premission and maybe even co-author Timothy Richardson's permission to use the hanzi/framenum/keyword associations.

By the way, I wonder what "publicity" is there to promote the book to Chinese learners? Word of mouth? Reviews? I don't know of chinese learning websites, but I'd be interested in seeing some reviews, seeing how the chinese learners would be open to the method, maybe more, maybe less than Japanese learners?

Remembering the Hanzi.... - cactus - 2008-03-20

hi everyone.
Mr Heisig replied to an email i sent him 2 days ago asking about "Remembering the Hanzi"'s status.
He told me that the contracts have been issued,so the books should be out hopefully for the olympics(anyway,on summer..)

take care Smile

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-03-20

Hopefully this is true; I remember there was a real hype going on because the books were supposed to be out (probably confused with "finnished") last summer. Still I will buy the book as soon as available.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - ashman63 - 2008-06-14

ファブリス Wrote:HerrPetersen It wouldn't be too hard to make another "hanzi.koohii.com", copying over everything and using a different database so stories won't get mixed. However I'd have to see a real demand for it first, and I will have to ask Heisig's premission and maybe even co-author Timothy Richardson's permission to use the hanzi/framenum/keyword associations.
Well, I for one would definitely want such a site, and if you could set it up that'd be fantastic!

I would spread the world to all I know studying Chinese, using my success in learning Kanji this way as proof that it works, to persuade them to use Heisig's method and the hanzi.koohii.com site too!

Remembering the Hanzi.... - zdude255 - 2008-06-15

ファブリス Wrote:I don't know of chinese learning websites, but I'd be interested in seeing some reviews, seeing how the chinese learners would be open to the method, maybe more, maybe less than Japanese learners?
I have a feeling it'll be the same as in the Japanese community: divided.

On the plus side, the characters were chosen to have the most common ones and others that are convenient. 2000 characters won't bring you to the same level in Chinese as Japanese, so getting all of the common ones in the first 2000 is definitely important.

Also, I've heard that reading hanzi is much simpler. (Fewer readings for any given character, usually one) There could be fewer problems learning the readings at the same time than in Japanese, and the book doesn't have this obviously.

In any case, it's definitely a solid method for writing, so it'll definitely be important as Chinese doesn't have kana to bail you out.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-06-15

Too bad, that according to the chinese-forums.com it will be only out in spring 2009 (nine).

Remembering the Hanzi.... - ファブリス - 2008-06-15

I'm curious.. are unicode characters for simplified and traditional chinese clearly separated in different ranges? Do all characters exist in both styles in the unicode range ? Just wondering how I'd handle characters on the flashcards..

Remembering the Hanzi.... - Codexus - 2008-06-15

A traditional character and its simplified version are two different unicode characters. However they are not in different ranges and not all characters exist in both versions. In many instances, several different characters have been simplified to a single character. This means that conversion between the two isn't trivial especially simplified to traditional.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - Danieru - 2008-06-15

I would also be eternally grateful for a "RevTH" website. I am tremendously enjoying and loving studying Kanji, but my foray in Japanese has only been a two year hiatus while I have lived and taught in Japan.

I began my language studies with Mandarin, and adding some Japanese (I'm not nearly fluent, but I'm sure I'll return to it at some point) has been a great opportunity for me. This summer I will be taking up a job in Hong Kong, and I find myself wandering back to Chinese, although my Pimsleur Cantonese has already warned me not to take this task lightly Wink...

I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the relationship between Cantonese and Chinese characters. It's very loose, and educated Cantonese people either read English or "Mandarin" (Putonghua) papers, although the grammar between Cantonese and Mandarin don't match. Very interesting.
I have just started to find other resources that tackle this complex issue, but I am the most excited at the prospect of jumping into Remembering the Hanzi as soon as it is released. Mandarin has always been my first love, Japanese also now has a very special place in my heart, and as for Cantonese... we'll see.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-08-11

So finally (with 1 or 2? years after the expected release date) RTH seems to be finally on the way to the shelves; From the Nanzan Homepage:
PROGRESS REPORT (7 August 2008): The covers for Book 1 of Remembering Simplified Hanzi and Remembering Traditional Hanzi are now in their final stages of preparation. The book should go into production in the next week or two.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - meolox - 2008-08-11

Great news for Hanzi Learners, I'll be picking this up in say oh about 7 years when I intend to start learning Mandarin Smile

Remembering the Hanzi.... - alyks - 2008-08-11

I don't think it would be useful for a learner of Japanese who's completed RTK. You should already be able to memorize any character you come across. If you gave me just a straight list of kanji/hanzi, I could memorize it without any help.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - mentat_kgs - 2008-08-12

But anyway. It must be very interesting. I'll warn my chinese learning friends.

About remembering anything: That's true. Alyks. A good dictionary is your best friend.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-08-12

I finished RTK1 with 90%+ in the last stack and it took quite some effort to reach a solid beginner level in Chinese. One, because I chose to learn simplified characters, two because there are variations in meaning and writing in quiet some characters. I will still buy the book (even now), since compiling lists etc of hanzi that are not known is really bothersome and you are almost sure to make mistakes on the way.
So while it is not a great problem to do it on your own, I am sure it will help me a lot.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-09-21

Quick update on the RTH project from the nanzan homepage:
PROGRESS REPORT (9 September 2008):

The books have gone into production. Publicaition is slated for mid-late November.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - Squintox - 2008-10-03

I'll definitely pick up "Remembering Traditional Hanzi" when I start learning Korean in 4-6 years or so.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - Jarvik7 - 2008-10-03

Squintox Wrote:I'll definitely pick up "Remembering Traditional Hanzi" when I start learning Korean in 4-6 years or so.
Why? They don't use Hanja anymore. Knowledge of Japanese kanji is enough to give you a bit of a step up on sino-origin vocab.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - diephysiker - 2008-10-24

ファブリス Wrote:HerrPetersen It wouldn't be too hard to make another "hanzi.koohii.com", copying over everything and using a different database so stories won't get mixed. However I'd have to see a real demand for it first, and I will have to ask Heisig's premission and maybe even co-author Timothy Richardson's permission to use the hanzi/framenum/keyword associations.
No worries, there WILL be demand for that Wink

ファブリス Wrote:By the way, I wonder what "publicity" is there to promote the book to Chinese learners? Word of mouth? Reviews? I don't know of chinese learning websites, but I'd be interested in seeing some reviews, seeing how the chinese learners would be open to the method, maybe more, maybe less than Japanese learners?
Yeah, pretty much word of mouth in the forums.

Remembering the Hanzi.... - mickos - 2008-11-27

ファブリス Wrote:HerrPetersen It wouldn't be too hard to make another "hanzi.koohii.com", copying over everything and using a different database so stories won't get mixed. However I'd have to see a real demand for it first, and I will have to ask Heisig's premission and maybe even co-author Timothy Richardson's permission to use the hanzi/framenum/keyword associations.

By the way, I wonder what "publicity" is there to promote the book to Chinese learners? Word of mouth? Reviews? I don't know of chinese learning websites, but I'd be interested in seeing some reviews, seeing how the chinese learners would be open to the method, maybe more, maybe less than Japanese learners?
Well, I just registered here to respond, I just ordered the book myself on Amazon.com

(http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Traditional-Hanzi-Meaning-Characters/dp/0824833244/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226703716&sr=8-2)

I started out with the sample chapter, I really really like the idea of this site as addition however for the Hanzi version as well..! I know there would be many other people with me who would highly appreciate it to, since the concept of this site looks really nice!

Remembering the Hanzi.... - HerrPetersen - 2008-11-27

I ordered the book too. I hope I get it as soon as possible, but amazon says it will have it ready somewhere in newyear.