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Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - arcanewaif - 2015-06-09
Hi, I've been trying to find a spreadsheet that has common vocabulary, but which is is organized according to each kanji. For example,
意 - 意気, 意義, 意志
図 - 企図, 図示, 合図
but with readings and definitions as well. Basically something along the lines of the 'Kanji in Context' reference book, but which is already in a spreadsheet so I can add it to some of my existing decks.
I own a copy of the Kanji in Context book, but the spreadsheets that the kind community here has made focus more on sentences and the vocab in context. But I would like to study more the different words each kanji is used in individually
It seems like it would be such a useful resource, but I can't seem to find it here, google, or in the reddit forums anywhere. Can anyone help?
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - aldebrn - 2015-06-09
I haven't seen what Kanji in Context is like, but your description reminds me of a list I made for choubatsu that listed all common words using kanji that you could learn as you went through RTK ("common" meaning listed in EDICT). So in that list, the first kanji on each line is an RTK kanji, and following that first kanji on each line are words which only use kanji introduced on or before that line.
Do you have an ordered list of kanji that you'd want your list to follow in this "built as you go" manner? It'd be straightforward to take a kanji list like that, generate a database like this, and append readings & definitions (already in EDICT), perhaps keeping only high-frequency words, and turn it into a spreadsheet.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - scooter1 - 2015-06-09
There are some solid vocab textbooks I have used and seen, but I don't know of any in anki spreadsheets.
１日１５分の漢字練習 published by アルク is a solid start for about 1000 kanji (via 4 books). There are excellent example sentences and compounds for each kanji. There are also fill in the blank quizzes. I would guess there are about 3,000 words in the series. The sentences become more advanced in the later books although are not especially challenging. The books focus up to N2 kanji.
http://www.alc.co.jp/search_detail?item_name=%E3%81%AE%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E7%B7%B4%E7%BF%92&x=0&y=0
I have seen the typical JLPT prep series and thought the kanji books were always a bit weak compared to the grammar books.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - cophnia61 - 2015-06-09
Something like this?
It has kanji listed in RtK order and for each kanji it has all the common words which contain that kanji:
...
只 只管[ひたすら][at all. in the least]; 只管[ひたすら][nothing but/earnestly/intently];
貝 貝[かい][shellfish, shell]; 貝殻[かいがら][shell]; 貝殼[かいがら][shell];
貞 貞操[ていそう][chastity]; 貞淑[ていしゅく][chastity];
...
The format is:
KANJI \t WORD1[reading][meaning]; WORD2[reading][meaning]; ... WORDn[reading][meaning]; \r\n
Words and their readings and meanings are taken from a deck called "Core22k" that was core10k plus other common words taken from jmdic I think. I don't know if this deck is still on the anki page and if it is without any mistakes but I think it wouldn't be hard to do the same thing with another frequency list (for example a list taken from the nayr deck or from jmdic common words).
EDIT:
I use this format in order to do this.
Don't mind the blog, it's still just an idea. Just scroll down to the first image. Maybe it's something similar to what you want to do? (the format could be used with javascript to easily make other types of cards, like cloze deletions)
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - kerosan41 - 2015-06-09
Have you looked at KO2001? That was all the vogue on here a few years ago. I finished both books.
I think that might have the grouping style you're looking for. Does anyone else remember?
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - hyvel - 2015-06-13
There's a spreadsheet version of KiC floating around that would probably suit you well (and then some). It does contain sentences and so on, but it is still based on the structure of KiC, so it goes through all the kanji and lists the most common words containing a particular kanji. Have a look around some of the old threads, or shoot me an email if you're interested.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - Torrential - 2015-06-14
I have a plain text file that you might find useful. It uses the top-ranking definitions from EDICT (the shorter, common-word version, supplemented where needed with the uncommon word version).
There are a few definitions provided for each kanji. The kanji are listed in my own order, not Heisig order.
A typical entry is:
<見>
<keyword> see
<meaning>
<usage> 見る :みる : to see, to look, to watch, to view, to observe
<usage> 会見 :かいけん : interview, audience,
<usage> 意見 :いけん : opinion, view,
<usage> 見通し :みとおし : perspective, unobstructed view, outlook, forecast, prospect
<usage> 見せる :みせる : to show, to display,
<usage> 見える :みえる : to be seen, to be in sight, to look, to seem, to appear
<usage> 見方 :みかた : viewpoint,
<usage> 見直し :みなおし : review, reconsideration, revision,
The verbose <usage> tags could be removed with a global search-and-replace.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - kanjidude - 2015-06-14
Torrential, I would definitely be interested in this - any chance I could get a copy?
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - Torrential - 2015-06-14
Sure... How important is the kanji order? With a little bit of work I could resort it to Heisig order, but if you don't care about the order I wouldn't bother (It would take some programming). The keywords are also my own, but that could be rejigged as well.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - Torrential - 2015-06-14
Thinking about this a little more... It would also be possible to configure the list so that vocab entries were filtered according to kanji already seen. That is, compounds would not be presented until all the kanji in the compound had appeared higher up on the list. Any definitions removed in this way would then reappear further down the list, when the 'last' kanji of the compound (i.e. the one with the highest frame number) was seen. Beginners trawling through the list at the same time as RTK could then acquire usage examples composed entirely of kanji within their knowledge base.
This would not be so useful for someone who had already been through RTK, but they could use the unfiltered version of the list.
If there is interest in such a list, let me know... I don't think it would take long to write the program.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - kanjidude - 2015-06-14
I've finished RTK and would like to add common words to my Anki kanji deck, so I'm really just interested in the <kanji> and <usage> fields. If it was on CSV it would be perfect, but if not the text file as-is would be great, will just have to work out how to parse it!
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - Torrential - 2015-06-14
What's the desired format for CSV? It might be easier for me to re-format it for you as I have access to it programmatically.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - kanjidude - 2015-06-14
Basically I would export my cards, do an HLOOKUP (or is it VLOOKUP?) against the kanji and pull in the usage words to a custom field.
Spreadsheet with common vocab acc. to kanji? KiC? - Torrential - 2015-06-15
Okay, contact me by email... kspdotarcuateATgmaildotcom and I will send you the file.
From what I know of the CSV format, you could probably achieve all the changes you need with careful use of global replace in Word.
I should warn you that the entries have been pulled form EDICT by computer, so they have not been extensively checked by human eyes - though they look okay for the ones that I have checked.