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Help with writing the correct On'yomi? - Acheron - 2015-04-14
Hey guys,
I've recently started up with Heisig's RTK and have decided on a method where I learn the Onyomi (and some core Kunyomi) as well as the mnemonic to make any future Jukugos and reading comprehension later less of struggle. Its also helping me reinforce my Kana reading and writing.
Anyways, since I've been making my own stories and inputting my own cards I've had to use online dictionaries to find the respective Onyomi for each Kanji. However, take 早 for example. http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E6%97%A9 lists 2 Onyomi in which I assume the first one is the most used. However, this often conflicts with websites like Kanjidamage http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/29-early-%E6%97%A9 where the preferred Onyomi is ソウ and not サツ.
Could anyone give me some advice in how to ensure I'm memorising the right Onyomi for Kanji? I don't want to spend all the time memorising something just to have it be wrong. I realise that jisho is colour-coded blue and black for any double meanings but kanjidamage lists what is apparently "fast" as the Onyomi for "early".
Do I write both or just one and how do I ensure I'm doing it right? Thanks in advance!
Help with writing the correct On'yomi? - Aikynaro - 2015-04-14
I think there's a broad consensus here that what you're doing is pointless. I know there's a handful of people who have their reasons for learning onyomi separately, but by and large there's not much point in learning onyomi separately from the vocabulary that they appear in - i.e. just learn words, not sounds. As you're discovering, there is no 'right' onyomi - there is just the onyomi that is used for any particular word, and that is for all intents and purposes arbitrary.
Help with writing the correct On'yomi? - Roketzu - 2015-04-14
I recommend using CB's tool: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kanjiwordassoci/
It's pretty simple to use. To get the output below all I did was create a text file with 早 written in it and loaded it into this tool. It sorts by most common, so you get a good idea which readings are used most frequently. I personally always prefer using tools like this as opposed to online resources.
There will be cases where some characters don't have a dominant onyomi, and also some where the kunyomi is used much more. I wouldn't worry about this stuff too much though, it tends to sort itself out by the time you get to the stage where you start seriously on building your vocabulary.
早い はやい 311 (adj-i) ① fast; quick; hasty; brisk. ② early (in the day, etc.); premature. ③ (too) soon; not yet; (too) early. ④ easy; simple; quick; (P).
素早い すばやい 3099 (adj-i) ① fast; quick; prompt; nimble; agile. ② quick (to understand); sharp (judgement); (P).
早速 さっそく 3402 (adv) at once; immediately; without delay; promptly; (P).
早苗 さなえ 4319 (n) rice seedlings.
早くも はやくも 4594 (n) already; as early as.
早々 そうそう 4931 (n-suf,n-adv) ① as soon as...; just after...; immediately after...; (adv) ② hurriedly; in haste; quickly; promptly; early; (P).
早朝 そうちょう 5338 (n-adv,n-t) early morning; (P).
早口 はやくち 5779 (n,adj-no) fast-talking; rapid talking; (P).
一刻も早く いっこくもはやく 6962 (adv) immediately; as soon as possible; as quickly as possible.
早 はや 7291 (n) already; now; by this time; (P).
朝早く あさはやく 7721 (adv) early in the morning.
手早い てばやい 8139 (adj-i) nimble; quick; agile; (P).
足早に あしばやに 10599 (adv) at a quick pace.
最早 もはや 11104 (adv) ① already; now. ② no longer; not any more; (P).
早める はやめる 11523 (v1,vt) to hasten; to quicken; to expedite; to precipitate; to accelerate; (P).
早足 はやあし 12692 (n) quick pace; quick steps; quick march.
早めに はやめに 13010 (adv) ahead of time; in good season.
一日も早く いちにちもはやく 13064 (exp,adv) as soon as possible; without further delay.
早くから はやくから 13179 (exp) early on; earlier on; from early.
早起き はやおき 15286 (n,vs) early rising; (P).
いち早く いちはやく 16323 (adv) ① promptly; quickly; without delay. ② before others; first.
足早 あしばや 16347 (adj-na,n-adv,n) quick-footed; light-footed; quick pace; (P).
早急 さっきゅう 16619 (adj-na,n,adj-no) urgent; (P).
早まる はやまる 17235 (v5r,vi) ① to move ahead (three hours, etc.); to move up. ② to quicken; to speed up; to gather speed. ③ to be hasty; to be rash; (P).
早う はよう 17301 (n,adv) early.
お早う おはよう 17665 (int,uk,abbr) good morning; (P).
早稲田 わさだ 18185 (n) field of early-blooming (or ripening) rice.
早目に はやめに 19725 (adv) ahead of time; in good season.
早瀬 はやせ 20077 (n) swift current; rapids; (P).
手っ取り早い てっとりばやい 21888 (adj-i) quick (and easy); finishing up in a hurry.
早春 そうしゅん 24217 (n-adv,n) early spring; (P).
早い話が はやいはなしが 26592 (exp,adv) in short; in a nutshell; in a word; to cut a long story short.
早馬 はやうま 26690 (n) fast horse.
早晩 そうばん 26827 (n-adv,n) sooner or later; eventually.
早期 そうき 27661 (n,adj-no) early stage; (P).
遅かれ早かれ おそかれはやかれ 28123 (exp,adv) sooner or later.
早熟 そうじゅく 29226 (n,adj-na,adj-no) precocity; early ripening; premature development; (P).
早鐘 はやがね 30787 (n) alarm bell.
早業 はやわざ 31094 (n) quick work; (clever) feat.
早合点 はやがってん 31834 (n,vs) jumping to a hasty conclusion.
早退 そうたい 32103 (n,vs) leave early; (P).
早く はやく 32424 (adv) ① early; soon. ② quickly; swiftly; rapidly; fast; (P).
口早 くちばや 32899 (adj-na,n) rapid talking.
矢継ぎ早 やつぎばや 33396 (adj-na,n,adj-no) rapid succession (e.g. questions).
逸早く いちはやく 33889 (adv) ① promptly; quickly; without delay. ② before others; first.
早寝 はやね 35345 (n,vs) go to bed early; (P).
早計 そうけい 36366 (adj-na,n,adj-no) over hasty; rash.
早とちり はやとちり 39981 (n,vs) jumping to a wrong conclusion.
早いこと はやいこと 40771 (exp,adv) quickly.
早よ はよ 45723 (n,adv,abbr) early.
早桶 はやおけ 46186 (n) roughly made casket; quickly made casket.
早道 はやみち 46301 (n) shortcut.
早暁 そうぎょう 47409 (n-adv,n-t) daybreak; dawn.
早乙女 さおとめ 47520 (n) young female rice planter; young girl; (P).
時期尚早 じきしょうそう 49001 (adj-na,n,adj-no) premature; (P).
早め はやめ 51099 (adj-no) ① early. ② fast.
早死に はやじに 51248 (n,vs,sens) premature death; untimely death; dying young.
早見 はやみ 51981 (n) chart; table.
早蕨 さわらび 52425 (n) freshly budded bracken.
早番 はやばん 53588 (n) early arrival.
早変わり はやがわり 53745 (n) quick change.
早耳 はやみみ 53888 (n,adj-no) insider; keen of hearing.
早世 そうせい 55739 (n,vs) dying young; early death.
早送り はやおくり 60732 (n,vs) fast forward (e.g. VCR, tape deck, etc.).
早変り はやがわり 61840 (n) quick change.
早目 はやめ 65660 (adj-no) ① early. ② fast.
早打ち はやうち 65954 (n,vs) ① fast typing. ② fast beating; fast drumming.
早わざ はやわざ 68263 (n) quick work; (clever) feat.
早産 そうざん 71904 (n,vs,adj-no) premature birth.
早立ち はやだち 72972 (n,vs) early-morning departure.
早漏 そうろう 73328 (n) premature ejaculation.
早咲き はやざき 73749 (n,adj-no) early blooming; early flowering.
早船 はやふね 74108 (n) ① (arch) fast-moving rowboat. ② type of fast military ship.
早生 わせ 74108 (n,adj-no) ① early ripening rice. ② early-ripening fruit (grain, etc.). ③ person who becomes physically or mentally mature at an early age.
矢継早 やつぎばや 74946 (adj-na,n,adj-no) rapid succession (e.g. questions).
早出 はやで 75350 (n,vs) early arrival.
早期発見 そうきはっけん 78366 (n) early detection (of an illness).
早婚 そうこん 79738 (n) early marriage; marrying young.
早慶戦 そうけいせん 81184 (n) Waseda-Keio (baseball) game.
早早 そうそう 83376 (n-suf,n-adv) ① as soon as...; just after...; immediately after...; (adv) ② hurriedly; in haste; quickly; promptly; early.
早矢 はや 83906 (n) arrow with feathers that curve to the left (the first of two arrows to be fired).
早技 はやわざ 83906 (n) quick work; (clever) feat.
早食い はやぐい 85019 (n,vs) eating quickly; speed-eating.
早期解決 そうきかいけつ 87402 (n) early (prompt) settlement; swift resolution; speedy solution.
早舟 はやふね 88115 (n) ① (arch) fast-moving rowboat. ② type of fast military ship.
早撃ち はやうち 88115 (n) quick shot; quick draw.
早くとも はやくとも 89401 (exp,adv) at the earliest.
早口言葉 はやくちことば 89401 (n) tongue twister.
早発ち はやだち 90846 (n,vs) early-morning departure.
早替り はやがわり 93161 (n) quick change.
早稲 わせ 93161 (n,adj-no) ① early ripening rice. ② early-ripening fruit (grain, etc.). ③ person who becomes physically or mentally mature at an early age.
早天 そうてん 93943 (n) early morning; dawn.
早生まれ はやうまれ 94742 (n) born between January 1st and April 1st.
早老症 そうろうしょう 94742 (n) (med) progeria; premature senility.
早回し はやまわし 94742 (n,vs) spinning rapidly; turning quickly; fast-forward (VCR, etc.); scanning.
時機尚早 じきしょうそう 94742 (n) before its time.
早手回し はやてまわし 95599 (n) early preparations.
尚早 しょうそう 96451 (adj-na,n,adj-no) prematurity.
早引け はやびけ 96451 (n,vs) leaving work (office, school) early; (P).
気早 きばや 99289 (adj-na,n) quick-tempered; impatient.
Help with writing the correct On'yomi? - alleo - 2015-04-14
I'd recommend using Zkanji. There in kanji groups you can see a list of words for every reading. For example kanji 早: reading ソウ has 51 words, and reading サッ has only 2 words.
Help with writing the correct On'yomi? - Acheron - 2015-04-14
Thanks for the replies guys, I think for now I'm going to take your advice and just focus on the mnemonics for now a build the On and Kun through sentence mining. However, I will certainly have use for these resources in the near future!