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Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - FaultyMaxim - 2015-03-26
This whole situation has the making of a very 面白い日本のドラマ.
Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - jmignot - 2015-03-28
rich_f Wrote:On the upside, if you have a Kindle Paperwhite, and know how to get to your Word List, you have a great resource for making truly interesting review cards. (It requires a little work, but it's doable!)Af the beginning, I was excited about this feature of the Paperwhite, but I ended up performing so many undesired searches (by touching the screen at the wrong place, because the device refuses to select the words properly, etc.) that my vocabulary list became essentially useless. In view of the poor accuracy of the Paperwhite touchscreen, one *should* at least be given the opportunity to validate or reject a dictionary entry before it is added to the list.
http://www.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/1qftyf/exporting_vocabulary_builder_data/
Words whose definitions is split into several "pages", often corresponding to homonyms (I am using JMdict Japanese-English Dictionary) also defeat the process of building a meaningful list for later review.
In my opinion, the Paperwhite still lacks a lot of flexibility to make its use as a Japanese language learning tool recommendable.
Your mileage may vary, though.
Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - Bokusenou - 2015-03-28
rich_f Wrote:I'm not sure-- keep my Kindles separated by language. But if they're all mixed up, it's probably doable.Thanks! That's a great idea!
Export the table you want and import it into Excel, you could sort the words from A-Z, and that *should* put the EN words up top, and you could just chop them off.
A regex search would knock them out, too, but I kind of suck at regex.
Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - rich_f - 2015-03-29
@jmignot Indeed, it's far from perfect, but right now, it's probably the best or second-best after Rikai-sama, depending on what you read, and what your goals are, because it can add sentences you'll remember, because you saw them in a book you were reading, and, hopefully, enjoying.
I went through SO MANY boring as hell sentences over the years, that I don't really want to do that again.
My advice on the word list file is not to try to process the whole thing at once-- you'll wind up tearing out all of your hair. Just export it as a spreadsheet, and break off 50 or so entries at a time. Then you won't be stuck in editing and disambiguation hell (at least not for long, anyway.)
Yeah, the Paperwhite needs work, but with a little effort, you can get something useful out of it. (But I get that you don't feel like cleaning up the cruft in your word list. I've got a bunch of duplicate entries and just plain weird ones, too.)
Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - jmignot - 2015-03-29
rich_f Wrote:it can add sentences you'll remember, because you saw them in a book you were reading, and, hopefully, enjoying.On the downside, such sentences may be unnecessarily long and convoluted (depending on the type of book one is reading) for using as a context for vocabulary words, especially simple ones. They may also contain (much) more than just one unknown word.
I went through SO MANY boring as hell sentences over the years, that I don't really want to do that again.
rich_f Wrote:Yeah, the Paperwhite needs work, but with a little effort, you can get something useful out of it. (But I get that you don't feel like cleaning up the cruft in your word list. I've got a bunch of duplicate entries and just plain weird ones, too.)I simply cannot believe that Amazon proposed this language learning option without thinking of even the simplest features which would make it reasonably comfortable to use: I mentioned the validation of new input to avoid clutter, but the possibility to clean the list otherwise than by erasing words one by one is another obvious example (I had to use this trick http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235442).
In fact, being able to interact with that list directly from an external application running on the host computer when the Kindle is connected via USB could open a whole range of interesting options. No such thing available by now, but perhaps feasible… From what I have read, the problem seems to be that the Kindle acts behind the scene to keep that list in sync with the Amazon server and other devices.
Guess iKnow pulled their Creative Common license - rich_f - 2015-03-29
I guess what I really like about the Kindle word list is that it at least stores the word I looked up and the sentence I was reading at the time. I agree that the rest is kind of a mess.
Sometime sentences are out of whack, or too long. You're right-- it could use a lot of work. That's the main reason why I'm going through it a small chunk at a time, or else I'd go nuts. I tried going through all 3000+ entries in mine, and wanted to throw things out the window after 2-3 hours of messing with it.
I also agree that they really need to fix some of the basics with it, but then again, it's Amazon, so I'm not really going to hold my breath on that one.
Maybe we could get cb to come in and work some of his programming magic on this? Some kind of SQL db reader that would automate some of the annoying crap for us-- like flagging things we don't want ever, and having the program auto-ignore those entries, or taking sentences from duplicate entries, and giving us the choice of either deleting them or combining them into one field (what I'd really like!)
As for the long definitions, I don't have any ideas, other than using EPWING2Anki, and choosing a less verbose dictionary. But again, that's going to add some work. Disambiguation sucks, but I don't see a way around it until Amazon fixes the app on their end by storing the right definition in a usable format.