yogert909 Wrote:

EratiK Wrote:

yogert909 Wrote:Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I don't see how gaiaslastlaugh's method is any different than "brute forcing vocab through anki" paired with some writing practice. Of course there's something to be said about a targeted vocabulary list. But I don't see how the pre-study with midori flashcards is any different than studying with anki flashcards outright.

The way I understand it, he's just saying you shouldn't learn using Anki, just use it to remember things you've already learned. It's a claim that is often made.

I've heard this argument enough that I have to think there's something to it, but it's never made sense to me as explained. If you've already learned something, how did you learn it? Presumably you learned by periodic study of some sort (reading, paper flashcards, electronic flashcards...). If you're going to use another flashcard program or paper flashcards to learn, I don't see what's to be gained over just sticking with one flashcard app. On the other hand, if you are going to learn new vocabulary by randomly coming across them in your reading, that might be more enjoyable, but probably not more efficient time-wise as learning via an SRS program.

Specifically, gaiaslastlaugh's method if I understand it correctly consists of 3 steps - flashcards(midori), writing, and more flashcards(anki). While I can see that they writing step has something to bring to the party, I don't see how the first flashcard step could possibly be any better just because it's midori and not anki. Not that I want to say that anki is better then any other app. Rather the opposite - that anki is just another flashcard app and there's not much better or worse than any other flashcard app(or paper flashcards) aside from a specific feature set and algorithm.

cophnia61 Wrote:Hi all, sorry to write this here but I need some help... I feel I'm burned out of japanese study... not japanese itself, but studying it... and I feel great part of the responsability is anki, I cannot keep it anymore... I feel greatly deprexed for this and other reasons, so the only thought to do anki reps makes me feel really bad... I don't know what to do, I've put so much effort in those six months but I see how much there is still to learn, not to talk about all the things I'm forgetting... I don't know, today I failed to recognize 返す, and yesterday I read 借 as 昔... I have a feeling of fear to get in touch with japanese, as I see something japanese on facebook I close it because I fear to see something I'm supposed to know and I don't recognize... I'm so sad

cophnia61 Wrote:but the core deck is like 160 reps today... I cannot keep it anymore

john555 Wrote:Before tackling a reading passage I make a list of new vocabulary and print out the list and study it for a few days and then the reading passage is a breeze.

The vocabulary list consists of: the kanji, the romaji transcription, the meaning in English, and the RTK1 keywords. I input new vocabulary into a Microsoft Access database and then run queries to generate my lists.

I read the same passage over and over until I've assimilated everything. Reading out loud helps too.

cophnia61 Wrote:Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart... Thank to this community I feel not alone, those days I'm a little discouraged because of other things and maybe this is reflecting in my will to study japanese... Also I have a fever and I'm not getting enough sleep so I will let some time pass doing only reps and I'll see in a couple of days...

TurtleBear, you're studying vocabs while you do/did RtK? Or you did all rtk1 first and only then you do vocabs?

aldebrn Wrote:

john555 Wrote:Before tackling a reading passage I make a list of new vocabulary and print out the list and study it for a few days and then the reading passage is a breeze.

The vocabulary list consists of: the kanji, the romaji transcription, the meaning in English, and the RTK1 keywords. I input new vocabulary into a Microsoft Access database and then run queries to generate my lists.

I read the same passage over and over until I've assimilated everything. Reading out loud helps too.

This. This is brilliant. I'm working on a web app to do this on a mass scale. It's computerized to make the list generation automatic, to provide cross-references into past readings, and provide a light SRS component to practice the vocab you've learned with clozed-deletions. But reading your description, I see the value in making the SRS component optional (very light), and making the list generation optionally more hands-on.

john555 Wrote:3) This is a query where I ask for a list of all the compounds studied so far where one of the kanji is pronounced "sei":

anotherjohn Wrote:

john555 Wrote:3) This is a query where I ask for a list of all the compounds studied so far where one of the kanji is pronounced "sei":

経政 economics

I've only seen 経済 for that.

Aikynaro Wrote:If the Core deck is killing you but the self-mined deck is going well ... isn't what to do obvious? Delete Core and go mine some sentences already!

It really doesn't matter what you do so long as you are a) learning a reasonable number of words, and b) continuing to do so every day. If Core being painful is getting in the way of your (b), ditch it.

Sauzer Wrote:

anotherjohn Wrote:

john555 Wrote:3) This is a query where I ask for a list of all the compounds studied so far where one of the kanji is pronounced "sei":

経政 economics

I've only seen 経済 for that.

it might be that he meant to do 政経 which is an abbreviation of 政治・経済 but that's more like "political economy"

yeah 経政 is really read つねまさ and is the name of a noh play based on a guy from history :V

Arupan Wrote:I don't think using any kind of software is that useful when learning new words, especially in the early stages.

Aikynaro Wrote:If the Core deck is killing you but the self-mined deck is going well ... isn't what to do obvious? Delete Core and go mine some sentences already!