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How to read ... and undestand everything? - Aeitto - 2014-08-28
At this moment im at 150 frame ... its taking loong time since english isnt my native language and most of the stories are complete nonsense ... thank God this site exist ...
I would really like to know what should I do after finishing RTK1. Meaning of thise characters is quiet helpful when im playing japanesse games on my Vita ... but when 2 or more stand next to each other im pretty confused. 150 character is nothing and for sure I gonna learn them all but ... what next? Should I learn all readings? Or sentences?
Im also learning a gramar but its actually not that easy.
Can't wait to when actually I could read something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/W4LIjoR.jpg
Also anyone knows a good anki deck compatible with 5th edition? I found a really good one
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1064504798 but frames dont match ... and I need something with strokes order.
How to read ... and undestand everything? - SomeCallMeChris - 2014-08-28
The moment you finish RTKv1 start learning vocabulary and grammar. (Possibly even before; Heisig warns against this because you get cross-interference from translations of Japanese words in bilingual dictionaries, but then again, Heisig didn't have an SRS program to help with his memorizing. In any case, learning other aspects of the language will certainly slow down finishing RtK, but people have had success both ways.)
I would say you should -never- memorize the readings of kanji in isolation. That's not to say you shouldn't study them - after you already know some words using a kanji it can be interesting to look up the character and see what the readings are and get an understanding of ON and kun readings. However, studying the readings first is pretty useless. Readings are only meaningful when they are used to spell words, otherwise they are difficult to memorize arbitrary sounds.
Similarly words are only meaningful when used in sentences, so whatever else you do, make sure that you have an example sentence somewhere in your vocabulary cards (whether you do 'sentence cards' or 'word cards' is more a question of whether you want the sentence on the front or the back of the card.)
Also, if English isn't your first language, I really recommend using keywords in your own language - whether you make them up, get them from a version of RTK in your language, or use suggestions on this site... keywords should be easy for you. (For the same reason, even native English speakers should consider changing some of the more obscure keywords.)
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Stansfield123 - 2014-08-29
Out of curiosity...why not learn English first, then Japanese? Do you live in Japan?
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Aeitto - 2014-08-29
Stansfield123 Wrote:Out of curiosity...why not learn English first, then Japanese? Do you live in Japan?What do you actually mean by that ... I can understand nearly everything ... but there are some words, and mostly phrases that are complete nonsense in my langue or doesn't mean anything at all. Then i have to check them out and make whole diffirent story. Stories in native langue are much powerfull. But somtimes its shorter and easier to remember English one.
Im learning English form early beggining of my school education.
@Chris
So basicaly I should learn all Kanjis and look for sentences that they make together then learn readings so it will be easier to remember when use ON or KUN readings for specific kanjis. Right?
RTK isnt written in my langue ...
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Stansfield123 - 2014-08-29
Aeitto Wrote:I mean that you shouldn't be studying two languages at the same time, especially not by using English resources to study Japanese.Stansfield123 Wrote:Out of curiosity...why not learn English first, then Japanese? Do you live in Japan?What do you actually mean by that
No offense, but your English isn't good enough to be able to do that, so it will be a frustrating experience.
I know several languages, but I've always learned them one at a time. Once I'm fluent in one (as fluent as I am in English now), I move on to the next one. But not before.
Why not focus on English for now? If you did, and worked on it every day, in a year you'd be fluent.
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Aeitto - 2014-08-29
Stansfield123 Wrote:Because I dont want to ... I have been forced to learn it in school for 11 years and I personaly think that my current knowledge is enough ... my grammar always sucked even in my native langue. And I never have tried to learn English by myself ...Aeitto Wrote:I mean that you shouldn't be studying two languages at the same time, especially not by using English resources to study Japanese.Stansfield123 Wrote:Out of curiosity...why not learn English first, then Japanese? Do you live in Japan?What do you actually mean by that
No offense, but your English isn't good enough to be able to do that, so it will be a frustrating experience.
I know several languages, but I've always learned them one at a time. Once I'm fluent in one (as fluent as I am in English now), I move on to the next one. But not before.
Why not focus on English for now? If you did, and worked on it every day, in a year you'd be fluent.
Explain me exactly why do I really need English to learn Japanese? For few phrases or unknow words?
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Helltrixz - 2014-08-29
Having stories in a foreign language isn't a big deal, especially if it's only a few words like you said. It was the same for me, I just used the opportunity to learn a few new English words.
That being said, finish RTK, work through a grammar book or two and after that study whatever you want. You can do core, you can do subs2srs, you can use textbooks, whatever you want.
How to read ... and undestand everything? - Helltrixz - 2014-08-29
And don't expect to be able to read texts like that this year, or next year either. It will take a while.