Nayr182 Wrote:Thanks for your reply, I agree about the romaji. Unfortunately that's how it is in the book, and this deck is a verbatim copy of the content within that book.

Ill make a list of all the shorten forms to help people understand what they mean as it will take too long to manually change them all.

Nayr182 Wrote:**Have started the process of adding native Japanese voice to all cards. Will update deck when completed.**

Nayr182 Wrote:Thanks for your reply, I agree about the romaji. Unfortunately that's how it is in the book, and this deck is a verbatim copy of the content within that book.

Ill make a list of all the shorten forms to help people understand what they mean as it will take too long to manually change them all.


Thanks for the feedback.

aldebrn Wrote:

Nayr182 Wrote:**Have started the process of adding native Japanese voice to all cards. Will update deck when completed.**

Curious about how you swung this. Kidnapped a busload of Japanese tourists?

Nayr182 Wrote:Another deck I have made in the past is a Genki 1 and 2 deck with native audio.
My beginner Genki deck can be found here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3894365375

Quote:Already within chapter 1 I've noticed some odd things:

< snip -- some name grumble I don't care about >

I can understand replacing basic level Kanji, e.g. さかな to 魚, for grammar points changingもらう　to　貰う is just going to cause confusion. Not only is the kana form more commonly used, but you won't see 貰う until you reach N1 level materials.

せんもん (専門) (specialty) has been replaced with a rarer word not found in Genki - I believe 専業, I've already changed this in mine. I find this odd as if you used this deck after studying per chapter you would have no clue. The kanji for せんもん hasn't even been shown in the book!

RawToast Wrote:

Nayr182 Wrote:Another deck I have made in the past is a Genki 1 and 2 deck with native audio.
My beginner Genki deck can be found here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3894365375

Bit of a hijack.

I remember trying that Genki deck, the audio was great -- but the vocab seemed to be changed. Perhaps these are the differences between edition 1 and 2 of the book or your wife provided more natural sentences? This review summed it up quite well:

Quote:Already within chapter 1 I've noticed some odd things:

< snip -- some name grumble I don't care about >

I can understand replacing basic level Kanji, e.g. さかな to 魚, for grammar points changingもらう　to　貰う is just going to cause confusion. Not only is the kana form more commonly used, but you won't see 貰う until you reach N1 level materials.

せんもん (専門) (specialty) has been replaced with a rarer word not found in Genki - I believe 専業, I've already changed this in mine. I find this odd as if you used this deck after studying per chapter you would have no clue. The kanji for せんもん hasn't even been shown in the book!

And back to the great resource you've provided It may be possible to use a regular expression to remove the roumaji or add a tab/comma so that it's moved to another field.

Quote:He is correct I used a lot of kanji that isn't contained in the Genki 1 and 2 books, but I did that on purpose as I wanted to study the sentences in their fully kanji-fied natural form.

RawToast Wrote:And back to the great resource you've provided It may be possible to use a regular expression to remove the roumaji or add a tab/comma so that it's moved to another field.

Quote:人 hito n. person, people, human being
若い wakai i-adj. young

erlog Wrote:A kanji's frequency of appearing has little do with how important it is for understanding. In fact, you could make the case that frequency and importance have an inverse relationship. The less frequent kanji are probably more important because they are only used when they are necessary. The same goes for words.
...
How important is the word Monday in this sentence: Monday, my father died. -or- Yesterday, I started choking while eating an apple.

Those mundane words are the most common like Monday, my, father, apple, and eating. The less common words are where the true meaning of the sentence lies.

Quote:ケーキとかチョコレートばかり 食たべるから、 君きみは 太ふとるんだ。 You gain weight, because you always eat cake and chocolate.

aldebrn Wrote:Nayr182, is there supposed to be a "<" in this one?: ございます (<ござる） gozai masu v. [very polite form of “de aru”]

Also, #889 has this number in the "Word" field: 889 体験（する） taiken(suru) n. experience v. experience, have experience of

aldebrn Wrote:There's three reasons why the "Word" field was problematic:
1- "人 hito n. person, people, human being" and "若い wakai i-adj. young" on the same field
2- "いろいろ iroiro adv., na-adj. various" having two parts of speech
3- "余り amari adv. the rest n. (not) much" and many others like this, with more than one part-of-speech/translation pairs.

But I think I got it working where each of the four pieces of information in this Word field got tagged according to what it was (kana/kanji, roumaji, part-of-speech, or translation). And the techniques used should hopefully work when you update the deck. For now, and for this deck in particular, those four sub-fields are just colored differently by Fuzzy-Anki to easily verify that the algorithm worked. Try uploading the APKG (as it exists on Ankiweb.net) to http://fasiha.github.io/fuzzy-anki/

Personally I'd like to see this tagging of both (1) kana in the Reading field, and (2) the different parts of the Word field, with "span" HTML tags in the final deck, leaving users free to style them however they want: hide roumaji, expand part-of-speech abbreviations, etc. You can even make the deck's default styling be so it exactly mimics what it is currently (kana surrounded by [] in Reading), so it'll still look the same to you. If you agree and don't want to do this tagging yourself, I can figure out how to export the data as an APKG or CSV, before or after your next update.

Thanks for the deck and the fun programming mini-project.

Stansfield123 Wrote:Ideally, they should be moved into separate fields rather than just tagged. That's how Anki is meant to work, you shouldn't have to use html to organize content.

Stansfield123 Wrote:Plus, tags are not as flexible as fields. You can display them differently, or even make them disappear, but you can't move them.

aldebrn Wrote:There's three reasons why the "Word" field was problematic:
1- "人 hito n. person, people, human being" and "若い wakai i-adj. young" on the same field
2- "いろいろ iroiro adv., na-adj. various" having two parts of speech
3- "余り amari adv. the rest n. (not) much" and many others like this, with more than one part-of-speech/translation pairs.

But I think I got it working where each of the four pieces of information in this Word field got tagged according to what it was (kana/kanji, roumaji, part-of-speech, or translation). And the techniques used should hopefully work when you update the deck. For now, and for this deck in particular, those four sub-fields are just colored differently by Fuzzy-Anki to easily verify that the algorithm worked. Try uploading the APKG (as it exists on Ankiweb.net) to http://fasiha.github.io/fuzzy-anki/

Personally I'd like to see this tagging of both (1) kana in the Reading field, and (2) the different parts of the Word field, with "span" HTML tags in the final deck, leaving users free to style them however they want: hide roumaji, expand part-of-speech abbreviations, etc. You can even make the deck's default styling be so it exactly mimics what it is currently (kana surrounded by [] in Reading), so it'll still look the same to you. If you agree and don't want to do this tagging yourself, I can figure out how to export the data as an APKG or CSV, before or after your next update.

Thanks for the deck and the fun programming mini-project.

aldebrn Wrote:I forgot to address that. Yes, the word and roumaji can, and should be, put in separate fields, but what about the parts-of-speech and translations, of which there can be one or two, as in "adv. the rest n. (not) much"? I'd hate to see "POS1, Translation1, POS2, Translation2", especially since in the next 4000 he might want to put a third pair... Those two, I fear, may have to stay together in one field.

aldebrn Wrote:I fully appreciate the shortcomings of frequency-based approaches, thanks to erlog, who said back in 2009,

erlog Wrote:A kanji's frequency of appearing has little do with how important it is for understanding. In fact, you could make the case that frequency and importance have an inverse relationship. The less frequent kanji are probably more important because they are only used when they are necessary. The same goes for words.
...
How important is the word Monday in this sentence: Monday, my father died. -or- Yesterday, I started choking while eating an apple.

Those mundane words are the most common like Monday, my, father, apple, and eating. The less common words are where the true meaning of the sentence lies.

aldebrn Wrote:But all that is boring technical preface to this: I like this deck! I fully appreciate the shortcomings of frequency-based approaches, thanks to erlog, who said back in 2009,

erlog Wrote:A kanji's frequency of appearing has little do with how important it is for understanding. In fact, you could make the case that frequency and importance have an inverse relationship. The less frequent kanji are probably more important because they are only used when they are necessary. The same goes for words.
...
How important is the word Monday in this sentence: Monday, my father died. -or- Yesterday, I started choking while eating an apple.

Those mundane words are the most common like Monday, my, father, apple, and eating. The less common words are where the true meaning of the sentence lies.