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500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - bebio - 2009-01-01

I reached 628, but even if I try to do 100 per day, my eyesight will resent. so, I'm doing it slower now, with more brakes in between to rest my eyes. My mind could keep up with the 100 mark, but I can't run the risk of having to buy glasses earlier than expected lol. So I'll do a maximum of 50 per day (probably a bit less), and give a brake of 1 or 2 days after finishing around 100 Kanjis, and do some reviews to consolidate what I have learned before moving on to the next ones.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - hotkiller123 - 2009-01-13

REACHED 514!!!!!!! But next 2-3 days i'll have to revise/study most of them to have them properly 'stick'


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - lanval - 2009-01-13

bebio Wrote:I reached 628, but even if I try to do 100 per day, my eyesight will resent. so, I'm doing it slower now, with more brakes in between to rest my eyes. My mind could keep up with the 100 mark, but I can't run the risk of having to buy glasses earlier than expected lol. So I'll do a maximum of 50 per day (probably a bit less), and give a brake of 1 or 2 days after finishing around 100 Kanjis, and do some reviews to consolidate what I have learned before moving on to the next ones.
Im around 630. But going soooo slow. Even when I had holidays I never got to 30 a day. All the reviewing, and then making up stories for all the difficult stuff just takes ages for me. Still, even if I find good stories, I forget them at first.. So depressing.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Dustin_Calgary - 2009-01-13

lanval Wrote:Im around 630. But going soooo slow. Even when I had holidays I never got to 30 a day. All the reviewing, and then making up stories for all the difficult stuff just takes ages for me. Still, even if I find good stories, I forget them at first.. So depressing.
Don't worry too much when you keep forgetting, especially a new primitive grouping in particular, just keep at the SRS and be honest with yourself, and soon they will be coming no problem, while you are forgetting a completely NEW primitive group Big Grin

I personally think the initial 3 day interval on this site may be a little too long for the new stuff we learn, but it also lets yo forget anything not sticking well, so keep up with your reviews and you'll be fine.

I am now on about the 1550 mark and it keeps going that way the whole way through.

Congrats on over 600 keep at it!


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - lanval - 2009-01-13

Thanks!
I also found 3 days too long and switched to Mnemosyne. I know new ones are the toughest, but why the heck do I also forget really old ones I had right 3 or 4 times already? Shouldnt I have about 95% on those?


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - mentat_kgs - 2009-01-13

I don't know lanval. I think it is more important to continue adding more kanji than getting them right. You just have to keep your reviews manageable.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Po0py - 2009-01-13

I thought I'd jump in here to say I've just reached 550.

I find the reviewing system on this site a little too spaced, as well. So I gave it up entirely in favour of Anki. In fact I do my initial studies in a completely different way to any methods I've seen on these forums. (I've lurked here for ages.) Here is how I do it:

Anki's has an awesome feature called Cram Mode. Each day I'd have about 50 new stories tagged as 'cram' and suspended and I'd put them Cram mode and un-suspend kanji in groups of five. I've found that five is about the most efficient way of committing them to memory and then releasing them into the wild. After I've got the first five correct a few times it should be an hour or so before I see them again so I un-suspend the next five. Repeating over and over again. Usually I only do about 20-30 a day but there is no reason why you couldn't go higher.

I use two copy's of a Heisig deck of 3007 kanji that some nice person has uploaded to the Anki wiki page so this saves a lot of time. I use one copy solely for cramming and the other deck for long term SRS. After the first day I'd unlock the same kanji in my other long term SRS deck and let it take over. So basically I'm using cram mode to gently ease each kanji out of my short-term memory (first 12 hrs) and into my long-term memory.

Everybody has their own method that works for them. I think after the first 300-400 or so kanji you'll probably have a routine locked down because it works for you. So for those people who are still experimenting with their study routines I thought I'd throw my method out there.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Dustin_Calgary - 2009-01-13

lanval Wrote:Thanks!
I also found 3 days too long and switched to Mnemosyne. I know new ones are the toughest, but why the heck do I also forget really old ones I had right 3 or 4 times already? Shouldnt I have about 95% on those?
The really old ones you have gotten right 3-4 times will be forgotten the most since it has had a long time to be forgotten especially if you are still taking in new information.

Plus, since you knew it well, it will reconnect the neural connections for that character rather quickly.
I am also finding lower than desired results on the 4+ pile at times, while the 3 pile seems to have the best retention of them all.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - lanval - 2009-01-13

Po0py Wrote:I thought I'd jump in here to say I've just reached 550.

I find the reviewing system on this site a little too spaced, as well. So I gave it up entirely in favour of Anki. In fact I do my initial studies in a completely different way to any methods I've seen on these forums. (I've lurked here for ages.) Here is how I do it:

Anki's has an awesome feature called Cram Mode. Each day I'd have about 50 new stories tagged as 'cram' and suspended and I'd put them Cram mode and un-suspend kanji in groups of five. I've found that five is about the most efficient way of committing them to memory and then releasing them into the wild. After I've got the first five correct a few times it should be an hour or so before I see them again so I un-suspend the next five. Repeating over and over again. Usually I only do about 20-30 a day but there is no reason why you couldn't go higher.

I use two copy's of a Heisig deck of 3007 kanji that some nice person has uploaded to the Anki wiki page so this saves a lot of time. I use one copy solely for cramming and the other deck for long term SRS. After the first day I'd unlock the same kanji in my other long term SRS deck and let it take over. So basically I'm using cram mode to gently ease each kanji out of my short-term memory (first 12 hrs) and into my long-term memory.

Everybody has their own method that works for them. I think after the first 300-400 or so kanji you'll probably have a routine locked down because it works for you. So for those people who are still experimenting with their study routines I thought I'd throw my method out there.
I wonder if you can have "cram" function by just taking "1" a few times, until you are sure you know a kanji. I just dont get anki, and already worked too long with Mnemosyne after all.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Po0py - 2009-01-13

lanval Wrote:I wonder if you can have "cram" function by just taking "1" a few times, until you are sure you know a kanji. I just dont get anki, and already worked too long with Mnemosyne after all.
Not exactly sure what you are saying there. I think the whole point of cramming is to do multiple cards in a short period of time. Although I've adapted it simply to use the short spaced SRS algorithm just to get the newest Kanji set in my mind.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - lanval - 2009-01-14

Po0py Wrote:
lanval Wrote:I wonder if you can have "cram" function by just taking "1" a few times, until you are sure you know a kanji. I just dont get anki, and already worked too long with Mnemosyne after all.
Not exactly sure what you are saying there. I think the whole point of cramming is to do multiple cards in a short period of time. Although I've adapted it simply to use the short spaced SRS algorithm just to get the newest Kanji set in my mind.
What I mean is: if you say "2" as in: knew the kanji, then it wont be shown again the same day. So you might take "1" and repeat it a few times before taking "2".
Maybe I misunderstood what cram means, but it might help in learning kanji anyway?


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - jerkweed - 2009-01-17

508 kanji, 6 days, 98% correct writing recall on the second pass through.

I'm coming at this from a different perspective because I'm a longtime, advanced student of Japanese. Currently, I'm taking graduate school courses in Japan in Japanese. But my kanji writing skills are absolutely atrocious (haven't studied kanji itself in years), and I tend to get kanji confused when they're not in combinations familar to me. This method is unbelievably effective. I can now easily tell apart kanji that I've been getting confused for months.

This seems almost too good to be true, so I'm kind of waiting to see if I forget all of this in a week or two, but so far my recall has been great. I had long ago resigned myself to not being able to write all the 常用漢字, but now it seems like that was unnecessary.

What's funny is that I know the meanings of a considerable majority of these kanji in Japanese, and associating them with their English equivalent is actually a little more work than simply using their Japanese meaning. But I never know when a given kanji may come up as a primitive piece of another kanji, so I'm learning them all with Heisig's assigned keywords so as to not start mixing up English and Japanese in my stories.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Dakoina - 2009-01-18

I finally got to 500 today. Yeah! For me the last 50 were harder than the rest. It took me a couple months to get here, but the last weeks everything went better. I try to stick as much as I can to 20 to 30 new ones per day. If a day passes by without adding new oned, I try add a couple extra to even things out.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Tak47 - 2009-01-19

I am using Remembering Traditional Hanzi since I am studying Chinese. I only have 6 more to go before I reach 600! I learned 81 so far today. This is really great since I forgot how to write most of the characters I knew before from traditional classes. Some of Heisig's keywords are so abstract! I hate when I run into those because they take me 5 - 10 minutes just to come up with a story. Anyway, I find this site very helpful for the character/keywords that are the same in both books. I cannot wait to finish RTH1 so that I can move on to using the zhongwen.com character tree. I started RTH1 January 2nd. I slacked off for a couple days here and there and didn't add any new cards, but now I started timeboxing and it works wonders.

I loved using Shrek for the "fingers" primitive and Data for "state of mind" was a life saver. I would have never thought of personifying those primitives had I not been a member of this site. By the time Fabrice finally gets the RTH section of the site up and running I will be finished with the book! :P


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - stevesayskanpai - 2009-01-25

After starting in early december I'm now over 1/4 of the way there. Should have finished easily by this summer, but I am worried my motivation is decreasing. I review on Anki every day, but need to get into a more consistent pattern of learning new kanji. Originally I tried to do 35 a day, but now I'm going to switch to 20 a day, as I seem to be forgetting more more quickly.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - kmoeini - 2009-01-25

Been living in Japan for many years, and I can read newspapers, but sort of gave up on writing the kanji until I came across this site. I'm at 650 or so now. The community here is great, and keeps me motivated.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - fionnula123 - 2009-01-31

Finally reached that mark. But remembering the stories is exceptionally difficult sometimes.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - cerulean - 2009-01-31

Just got destroyed in my first review of Lesson 25.

A group of kanji with the little fellow on the left on the following Kanji: 行.


Ugh.. These may be some of the least memory stories I've come across yet. I might have to go back and cement in my own stories for the rest of this lesson's kanji or else I'll never remember these guys.

The primitive combinations are very difficult to remember, but also, the primitive that people are continually using as "go" or "going" is so hard to work it! When I say "I'm going to go eat" the least memorable part of that idea is the "going to" .. That's not an active word in the english language. Using it as a primitive in this sense is a horrible idea.

There was one user who likened the primitive to a journey, or traveling, and while there already is a Kanji involving two primitives for the words Journey, I still find this to be so much more effective than the passive idea of "going to do something". I might have to work on my own stories with that definition in mind...


GAH!


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - cerulean - 2009-01-31

okay, those frustrations may have been uncalled for.. I guess there really are only a few with that 'go, line, column' primitive.

I just have to do it the old fashion way.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - Walden - 2009-01-31

I've just hit 500 ^^. Having quit once already I thought it was impossible. But it feels like I've done so little work and it will be a piece of cake.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - yukkuri_kame - 2009-01-31

Walden Wrote:I've just hit 500 ^^. Having quit once already I thought it was impossible. But it feels like I've done so little work and it will be a piece of cake.
Congratulations! Good job, keep it up.

I know what you mean about the quitting part. I hit 500 sometime in the early fall and then stalled horribly. All but a hundred had expired. I had to dig my way out from 400 expired cards, a high percentage of which I failed. Now I am almost through the failed cards and ready to start adding. Hashiriya's RTK lists over at iKnow have been a vital part of my recovery, jogging my memory quite effectively using the brainspeed game to dust of the neurons. Now I have some momentum again. 1000 here I come...


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - frlmarty - 2009-01-31

yukkuri_kame Wrote:Hashiriya's RTK lists over at iKnow have been a vital part of my recovery, jogging my memory quite effectively using the brainspeed game to dust of the neurons.
what would this be?

maybe could you post a link ?

thank you!


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - stoked - 2009-02-01

500 kanjis, 500 pictures.


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - iSoron - 2009-02-01

stoked Wrote:500 kanjis, 500 pictures.
Hats off to you, stoked. That's impressive. Keep it up!


500 frames and counting! ROOOOARRRR!!! - yukkuri_kame - 2009-02-01

frlmarty Wrote:what would this be?

maybe could you post a link ?

thank you!
http://www.iknow.co.jp/lists/41878

Hashiriya の お陰で。(thanks to Hashiriya)