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What grammar is this? - vebaev - 2014-01-16
I'm watching Naruto, and every 5th sentense is ending on ~てばよう
What is this grammar?
What grammar is this? - rokudo - 2014-01-16
if you're talking about when naruto tacks ってばよ！ on to the end of his sentences, it has no real meaning, it's just made up by Kishimoto
What grammar is this? - vebaev - 2014-01-16
oh I see, I was wondering what mysterious grammar it was
What grammar is this? - yudantaiteki - 2014-01-16
It's made from ってば, which is a sentence ender that can add emphasis, and よ, which is something you are probably familiar with. I'm not sure Kishimito made up the combination of those two entirely, but I doubt you'll see it outside of that manga either.
What grammar is this? - viharati - 2014-01-16
Quote:I'm not sure Kishimito made up the combinationHe did not. It's nothing special, though adapting it to a speaking quirk may be his originality.
As you know, the filler よ is considered rude in standard Japanese. (note; its sentence-ender-like usage (connecting directly to a noun) is too and is feminin in Yamanote language) But in many eastern Japan dialects, it's just common. Or rather, that's why the Yamanote influenced culture looks down on it.
What grammar is this? - viharati - 2014-01-16
(Sorry for repetitive post)
Quote:ってば, which is a sentence enderI have never thought of it that way but that surely looks a good idea.
What grammar is this? - yudantaiteki - 2014-01-17
It's in most dictionaries.
What do you mean that the "filler よ" is rude?
What grammar is this? - anotherjohn - 2014-01-17
http://tangorin.com/general/%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%E3%81%B0
What grammar is this? - afterglowefx - 2014-01-17
yudantaiteki Wrote:What do you mean that the "filler よ" is rude?Also curious where he's getting this, considering it gets used by both genders in every imaginable context.
What grammar is this? - mmhorii - 2014-01-17
If I say "yo, get your s*** together," that would probably be a rude thing to say.
What grammar is this? - nadiatims - 2014-01-17
よ is not inherently rude. It's all about context like most grammar. It's just an ending to emphasise that you're letting the listener know something.
What grammar is this? - yudantaiteki - 2014-01-17
And sometimes it makes things softer rather than ruder -- だよ is softer than だ, and the same thing is true of imperatives with よ.
What grammar is this? - viharati - 2014-01-17
yudantaiteki Wrote:What do you mean that the "filler よ" is rude?
nadiatims Wrote:よ is not inherently rude. It's all about context like most grammar.It's not so much context as what grammatical element it connects to.
(I define here 'sentence ending particle' as one that connects to verbs, adjectives, or another sentence ending particle, and the others as 'filler')
よ・さ・ね have both usage of sentence ender and filler, and their filler usage don't have particular meanings unlike sentence enders. Among them, よ's filler is always considered an unsophisticated manner.
What grammar is this? - viharati - 2014-01-20
Correction;
Quote:But in many eastern Japan dialects, filler よ is just common.I wrote that, but if するってばよ appears in those dialects, it's a contraction of するとすればよ. It was inappropreate to refer to. I am sorry for that.
One would be able to say it's Kishimoto's creation though it's not a grammatically impossible combination.
What grammar is this? - andikaze - 2014-01-20
心配すんな vs 心配すんなよ
もう速くしろ vs もう速くしろよ
are clear examples of where a よ at the end will soften the sentence (it comes across like "come one now, do it already" instead of a sharp order)
ってば is a thing that means something like "i told ya time and time again" is a very broad sense. i could imagine the following scenario:
で、傘は？
うちに忘れた
もぉ、大介ってば！
which would be something like
now where's your umbrella?
forgot it at home
man, you did it again
ってばよ is not an anomaly as such, but when you use ってば, there's normally no need to add よ. it would sound.. hmm, a bit しつこい - that doesn't mean it's incorrect, it's just not something mature people would use. maybe in some relaxed situation, while joking around, but even then, it has a childish touch. kind of like だって美味しいんだもん
What grammar is this? - viharati - 2014-01-21
Quote:when you use ってば, there's normally no need to add よ. it would sound.. hmm, a bit しつこいTo me, that よ sounds a filler and I don't feel any particular meaning duplicated.