Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - Printable Version

+- kanji koohii FORUM (http://forum.koohii.com)
+-- Forum: Learning Japanese (http://forum.koohii.com/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Learning resources (http://forum.koohii.com/forum-9.html)
+--- Thread: Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website (/thread-11374.html)

Pages: 1 2

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - littlecrow - 2013-12-12

A simple website based on the data downloaded from this thread
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=10723

As the website states, it is "Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Volumes: complete collection: key and example sentences"

Put it together because reading from Firefox using Rikaisama is just so enjoyable.
The website is very simple- sorry, learned enough HTML on the fly- but if you're like me who prefers to review things outside of Anki as well, figure this could be useful.

It has some ruby text on the Basic page, but not all of it. That was done mainly for testing purposes, since I don't know how to make it generate automatically (without it being machine inaccurate).

http://jiten.clanteam.com/

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - Corodon - 2013-12-12

All the Japanese characters are garbled when I read it. You should add a
<meta charset="UTF-8" />
to your pages to improve the compatibility.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - littlecrow - 2013-12-12

Corodon Wrote:All the Japanese characters are garbled when I read it. You should add a
<meta charset="UTF-8" />
to your pages to improve the compatibility.

thankyou for the tip!
all fixed
lots to learn yet, lol

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - Abajour - 2013-12-12

This. Is. AMAZING.

This is why I love the Japanese learning community <3.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - JapaneseRuleOf7 - 2013-12-12

That is very excellent.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - jimeux - 2013-12-12

Nice job. How did you put it together? Manually marking it all up would be usually be a 至難の業.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - littlecrow - 2013-12-12

jimeux Wrote:Nice job. How did you put it together? Manually marking it all up would be usually be a 至難の業.

Used the spreadsheet from the thread in the first post- but the links are all gone now. From the spreadsheet I googled "how to make a webpage in html" and using the spreadsheet and a text editor slowly pieced it all together.
Lots of hours over the past three days. So many things you have to set up right for it to show properly in browser Tongue

Kind of hard to explain exactly how it was made. Kind of just bits at a time, learning as I went.

All of the sentences and stuff were already in the spreadsheet so all that had to be really done was take it apart and put it together in a text/.html
Someone who knows how to create websites would have been able to do it a lot faster and easier. Decided to make it into a webpage after reading the spreadsheet was a bit awkward. Reading a .pdf of the spreadsheet was a lot better, but I find it best reading in a browser with Rikaisama. Sort of assumed that if it was best for me then it might be something someone else might find enjoyable too.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - theasianpleaser - 2013-12-12

This is perhaps the most convenient grammar website I've ever seen. Thank you all who compiled the sentences and littlecrow for your efforts.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - ktcgx - 2013-12-13

Awesome! Thank you!

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - ryuudou - 2013-12-13

It's over. Tae Kim is finished.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - qwertyytrewq - 2013-12-13

ryuudou Wrote:It's over. Tae Kim is finished.

How?

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - MelonBerry - 2013-12-13

Thank you for this. Smile

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - tashippy - 2013-12-13

qwertyytrewq Wrote:
ryuudou Wrote:It's over. Tae Kim is finished.
How?

How Rude!

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - yudantaiteki - 2013-12-13

Are these dictionaries still in print? Reproducing basically the entire text online seems a bit shady.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - jmignot - 2013-12-13

I have got all three books, and obviously they contain much more than a mere list of example sentences. Still, it would be convenient to have those sentences readily available online for quick reference.
But like yudantaiteki, I doubt that this is acceptable practice with respect to copyright.
It is a pity, though…

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - vileru - 2013-12-13

yudantaiteki Wrote:Are these dictionaries still in print? Reproducing basically the entire text online seems a bit shady.

Massive portions of the texts are missing, including all of the keys, indexes, appendixes, and other major parts. The website is just a stripped down version with only sentence-long explanations (the actual texts have detailed explanations with charts, sometimes spanning over a page) and example sentences. Of course, the legality of the site may be questionable (specifically, whether it falls under fair use or not), but it's definitely not an exact copy of the book.

It looks like a fair use argument can be made, but I'm not going to take up that mission. Here is the relevant fair use info (source):

Student Press Law Center Wrote:Courts look at four factors to determine if the use of a copyrighted work is a fair use:

1. The purpose and character of the use. Non-commercial uses for purposes like news reporting, teaching, criticism or commentary are more likely to be fair.

2. The nature of the copyrighted work. Uses of works containing mostly factual material like maps or biographies are more likely to be fair than uses of highly creative and original works like novels and cartoons.

3. How much of the original work is used. No more of the work than what is necessary may be used fairly. The test is both quantitative (how many words of a 200,000 word book are reproduced?) and qualitative (using the "core" or "heart" of a work -- no matter how small -- is less likely to be a fair use).

4. The effect of the use on the commercial value of the copyrighted work. This is the most important factor. If consumers are likely to buy the use as a substitute for the original, it probably will not qualify as a fair use.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - LongtimeLurker - 2013-12-13

Thank you, this is incredibly useful!!

I always wanted to have the DoJG books, but looking up things manually is too much of a hassle to justify their price for me. The amount of money I would be willing to spend for a searchable e-book...

At least with this I can quickly find example sentences to supplement my studies with Kanzen Master.

Oddly for me the host doesn't resolve (using what I think is Google's DNS 8.8.8.8), so I had to put this into my hosts file: 67.220.217.235 jiten.clanteam.com

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - littlecrow - 2013-12-14

LongtimeLurker Wrote:Oddly for me the host doesn't resolve (using what I think is Google's DNS 8.8.8.8), so I had to put this into my hosts file: 67.220.217.235 jiten.clanteam.com

Don't know what this means- sorry! Is it something I've done accidentally?

Not sure if this will help
website domain name and host is done by zymic dot com. It is a free website.

Could this mean I might not be able to change the host resolve process? Sorry if that's a silly question. Not really sure how that stuff works. Tongue

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - LongtimeLurker - 2013-12-14

littlecrow Wrote:
LongtimeLurker Wrote:Oddly for me the host doesn't resolve (using what I think is Google's DNS 8.8.8.8), so I had to put this into my hosts file: 67.220.217.235 jiten.clanteam.com
Don't know what this means- sorry! Is it something I've done accidentally?

Not sure if this will help
website domain name and host is done by zymic dot com. It is a free website.

Could this mean I might not be able to change the host resolve process? Sorry if that's a silly question. Not really sure how that stuff works.

I don't really know what it means, either. Anyway as long as the site works for everyone else, maybe the problem was just on my side. Just wanted to post this in case anybody else has the same problem.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - TheViking - 2013-12-14

There's a tiny mistake in one of the first sentenced in 'Basic':

あの人ひとは学生だ。
That person is a teacher.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - theflash17 - 2013-12-14

LongtimeLurker Wrote:
littlecrow Wrote:
LongtimeLurker Wrote:Oddly for me the host doesn't resolve (using what I think is Google's DNS 8.8.8.8), so I had to put this into my hosts file: 67.220.217.235 jiten.clanteam.com
Don't know what this means- sorry! Is it something I've done accidentally?

Not sure if this will help
website domain name and host is done by zymic dot com. It is a free website.

Could this mean I might not be able to change the host resolve process? Sorry if that's a silly question. Not really sure how that stuff works.
I don't really know what it means, either. Anyway as long as the site works for everyone else, maybe the problem was just on my side. Just wanted to post this in case anybody else has the same problem.

It doesn't work for me either and I also use the Google DNS. How did you figure out the IP address to use in the host file?

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - LongtimeLurker - 2013-12-14

theflash17 Wrote:
LongtimeLurker Wrote:
littlecrow Wrote:Don't know what this means- sorry! Is it something I've done accidentally?

Not sure if this will help
website domain name and host is done by zymic dot com. It is a free website.

Could this mean I might not be able to change the host resolve process? Sorry if that's a silly question. Not really sure how that stuff works.
I don't really know what it means, either. Anyway as long as the site works for everyone else, maybe the problem was just on my side. Just wanted to post this in case anybody else has the same problem.
It doesn't work for me either and I also use the Google DNS. How did you figure out the IP address to use in the host file?

I googled and there are websites where you can type in the hostname and it will resolve it for you.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - nickoakden - 2013-12-15

I haven't posted in ages, and am doing so now just to thank you. So simple, so incredibly useful. I'll go through every entry.

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - mmhorii - 2013-12-15

nickoakden Wrote:I haven't posted in ages, and am doing so now just to thank you. So simple, so incredibly useful. I'll go through every entry.

While you're at it, you might want to check the sentences against the source material. There are numerous typos and errors that I saw during a short scan of one of the pages. I'm not sure if they're inherited from the spreadsheets or were introduced during the webpage creation process.

Other than that, the pages look nice! Just don't throw away your dictionaries yet...

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Website - jmignot - 2013-12-15

Great work !
Hope this will stay on line…

Small typo:
DIJG : にとって/より => によって/より