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Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Aikynaro - 2014-10-02
Quote:Thank you, for that I think I can take you seriously, and if that is the case why haven't any of you mentioned any of this 'strong existing historical record' in detail before?It is mentioned in the second post of this thread. I don't think there's any need for anyone to seriously try and counter a theory that has nothing backing it.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Linval - 2014-10-03
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htmTextbook example of confirmation bias. I love the evangelist's obsession with trying to prove that Jesus & the tribes of Israel (isn't that a killer name for a band ?) went on a world tour.
this is unrelated but I thought it was interesting .
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - maenuro - 2015-05-20
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htmGuys, sorry for bringing this topic back, but I have been hearing about this recently, and I find it so irritating, that I have to debunk those stupid myths.
this is unrelated but I thought it was interesting .
They were initially spread by a Western religious zealot, more than one hundred years ago, and more recently by Arimasa Kubo (a Japanese who unlike most of his compatriots, has the IQ of a frog, and is always high on religion [stoned as hell]).
The guy is not a scholar at all. He is not knowledgeable neither in linguistics, nor in history, nor in archaeology, nor in biology.
The guy is just a religious fanatic who works as a pastor, and sees everything in terms of religion.
Let me debunk some of the claims he makes:
1) People call this festival "the festival for Misakuchi-god". "Misakuchi" might be "mi-isaku-chi." "Mi" means "great," "isaku" is probably Isaac (the Hebrew word "Yitzhak"), and "chi" is something for the end of the word. It seems that the people of Suwa made Isaac a god, probably by the influence of idol worshipers.
This is an absolute subjective interpretation, full of lies.
First of all, the name is not Misakuchi, but Minakuchi (水口), which means 'water inlet', and is not the name of a god. "Mina" is the Old Japanese for 'water', and "kuchi" means 'mouth', entrance'. This is nothing else than an irrigation festival.
Conclusion: Arimasa's epic fail # 1.
2) Today, this custom of the boy about to be sacrificed and then released, is no longer practiced, but we can still see the custom of the wooden pillar called "oniye-basira" which means 'sacrifice-pillar.'
False. It's not called "oniye-bashira", but "onbashira" (御柱), and it means 'honored pillars'.
3) The festival of "Ontohsai" has been maintained by the Moriya family ever since ancient times. The Moriya family think of "Moriya-no-kami" (god of Moriya) as their ancestor's god. And they think of "Mt. Moriya" as their holy place. The name "Moriya" may have come from "Moriah" (the Hebrew word "Moriyyah") of Genesis 22:2.
False. "Moriyyah" is the name of a place for Jews, while Moriya is a surname, composed of two meanings/words, either 守 or 森"mori" (meaning 'protection' and 'forest' respectively), and either 屋or 谷"ya" (meaning 'house' or 'valley' respectively).
Another subjective interpretation debunked.
4) The Star of David Is A Symbol Also Used At Ise-jingu, the Shinto Shrine for the Imperial House of Japan.
Lies. You can check photos of the temple, and see there are no Jewish stars at all: https://www.google.com/search?q=ise+shrine&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=50JcVdyMB8LamgWv_IHYDg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=608
5) Japanese "Omikoshi" Resembles the Ark of the Covenant.
That kind of stuff was used in Egyptian religion as well: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Egyptian_Arks.html
So, does it mean that Japanese people came from Egypt? .... Obviously not.
All religions have many similar aspects, because blind faith is a similar kind of belief.
6) Japanese people perform a bow as a polite greeting when they meet each other. To bow was also the custom of the ancient Israel. Jacob bowed when he was approaching Esau (Genesis 33:3).
Retarded. Japanese politeness is derived from Confucianism. Note how Chinese and Koreans also have similar cultural customs.
6) Although Shinto is a polytheistic religion, I think there is a possibility that ancient Shinto had once believed in Yahweh also.The first born among the Shinto gods is called "Amenominakanushi-no-kami." This god is said to have appeared first, live in the midst of the universe, have no shape, no dying, be the invisible master of the universe, and be the absolute god, who resembles the Biblical God as the Master of the universe.
Just as most religions in the World claim. So what?
7) Today we Japanese celebrate the new year on January 1st, but historically we used the lunar calendar, when January 15th was the official date for the new year celebration. It is a Japanese custom during the celebration to eat "mochi" (rice cakes) throughout the seven days. This is similar custom to the Jewish, for the Bible states:
"And on the fifteenth day of the same month (first month) is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread." (Leviticus 23:6)
The recipe for "unleavened bread" is the same for Japanese "mochi," because if you use rice as the ingredient instead of wheat flour, it would become Japanese "mochi." The Hebrew word for unleavened bread" is "matsah." I can't believe that it is an accident that these two words sound alike.
Those words sound nothing alike. They just share the initial M.
And the ingredients are different.
8)
※Old Japanese Words Have Hebrew Origin.
Oh, really? Then, why does no linguist agree with that statement?
※Joseph Eidelberg, a Jew who once came to Japan and stayed for years at a Japanese Shinto shrine, wrote a book titled "The Japanese and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel." He wrote that many Japanese words originated from ancient Hebrew.For instance, we Japanese say "hazukashime" to mean disgrace or humiliation. In Hebrew, it is "hadak hashem" (tread down the name. See Job 40:12). The pronunciation and the meaning of them are both almost the same.
So, 'tread down the name' means the same as 'disgrace'? In Arimasa’s sick mind, only.
Also, in Japanese it is only one word, (辱め)"hazukashime", which actually means 'insult' or humiliation'. That Arimasa guy is Japanese, and still doesn't know his own language well.
I guess you can get why it's a waste of time to take that guy seriously.
※We say "anta" to mean "you," which is the same in Hebrew.
あんた("Anta") is a very rude expression, which in Japanese comes from the standard form あなた("anata"). At the same time, that second person personal pronoun derives from あの方 "ano kata" ('that person'). So, the etymologies are obviously absolutely different.
And by the way, "anta" is not a Hebrew word, but an Arabic one.
So now what... Japanese people came from Arabs?
※Kings in ancient Japan were called with the word "mikoto," which might come from a Hebrew word "malhuto" which means "his kingdom."
This is speculation. Not facts.
※We call the Emperor of Japan "mikado." This resembles the Hebrew word "migadol" which means the noble.
The ancient Japanese word for an area leader is "agata-nushi;" "agata" is area, and "nushi" is a leader. In Hebrew, they are called "aguda""nasi."
No.
"Agata" means 'prefecture', 'territory', and in Old Japanese, 'countryside'.
"Nushi" means 'owner'.
※When we Japanese count "One, two, three... ten," we sometimes say:
"Hi, fu, mi, yo, itsu, mu, nana, ya, kokono, towo."This is a traditional expression, but we Japanese don't know what this means if we think of it as Japanese. Joseph Eidelberg writes that this is a beautiful Hebrew expression, if we suppose that there have been some changes in the pronunciation throughout history. These words are to be spelled:
"Haiafa mi yotsia ma naane ykakhena tavo."
110% subjective, groundless interpretation.
9)
From the Study of Blood Types.
Prof. Tanemoto Furuhata, who is the authority of forensic medicine at Tokyo University, writes in his book that the blood types of the Japanese and the Jews are very similar, and he was surprised to get to know of it. I also heard that a professor of Paris University had discovered that the chromosome "Y" of the Japanese is the same in size as that of the Jews.
More lies.
First, the guy doesn’t provide evidence for Furuhata’s supposed research, which doesn’t make the ‘theory’ credible.
Second, you can check that the size of the chromosome Y in Japanese population is either 118, 259, or 137 (depending on the region) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_populations_of_East_and_Southeast_Asia
The Y chromosome Y in Jews population is either 79 or 442. Check it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_populations_of_Near_East
Also, Jews belong to the white race, while Japanese belong to the yellow (Asian) race. How the hell could Japanese people come from white people? It's not even necessary to know science.
So, we see again, nothing else than wishful thinking, and manipulation of the truth.
Manipulating science is definitely the worst I’ve ever seen.
Only a religious fanatic with the intelligence of a panda bear would stoop so low.
So, now you see, guys, why this is a total fraud.
These ‘theories’ made by that crackpot called Arimasa aren’t backed up by any evidence, and neither Japanese linguists, archaeologists, historians, nor scientists, not even one of them, agree with this fanatic’s hypotheses.
Arimasa is regarded as a monumental buffoon, both here in Japan, and overseas.
We should just ignore crackpots like that, not even lower ourselves to retort to them.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - PMotte - 2015-05-20
Thank you.
This was a great learning opportunity.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Robik - 2015-05-20
This 糸 is pure 金! (Except the intermezzo about 哲 - way too complex and boring, sorry guys)
I'd like to add another fabulous discovery. That is, the kanji itself, so not only kana, has Hebrew origin!!
祭 - or ritual, is clearly inspired by Hebrew influence
Irrefutable proof:
"A ritual such as a circumcision: a small piece of flesh from the crotch is left on the altar."
As you can see in the following link, as of today, 530 scientists support the idea, and only 7 do not: http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/%E7%A5%AD
This is pretty strong scientific consensus - whopping 98.7%.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - maenuro - 2015-05-20
Robik Wrote:This 糸 is pure 金! (Except the intermezzo about 哲 - way too complex and boring, sorry guys)I hope you are just joking, or at least stoned.
I'd like to add another fabulous discovery. That is, the kanji itself, so not only kana, has Hebrew origin!!
祭 - or ritual, is clearly inspired by Hebrew influence
Irrefutable proof:
"A ritual such as a circumcision: a small piece of flesh from the crotch is left on the altar."
As you can see in the following link, as of today, 530 scientists support the idea, and only 7 do not: http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/%E7%A5%AD
This is pretty strong scientific consensus - whopping 98.7%.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - PMotte - 2015-05-20
He must be joking.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Stansfield123 - 2015-05-21
He is so obviously joking, that I think it's possible even you guys might be joking when asking him if he's joking.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Splatted - 2015-05-21
Orz
I can never tell where the jokes end in this kind of thread. Robik's post is so obviously a joke that Maenuro must be joking when he takes him seriously... right? But does mean PMotte is also joking when he takes that seriously? And if that's a joke does that mean Stansfield123 is also playing along? Will the people who read this be able to tell if I'm joking?
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Zgarbas - 2015-05-21
There is no win in this rabbithole of jokes; there is only a slight feeling of feeling somewhat better than someone else - though no one can state as to why with absolute certainty.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - ashman63 - 2015-05-21
Zgarbas Wrote:Futoi means fat in Japanese, but "I have sex with sheep" in Romanian.This is the most interesting part of the whole thread. I love that this is the first Romanian word/sentence I have ever learned. It's going to bring a whole new meaning to every time I hear someone call someone else futoi.
Robik Wrote:祭 - or ritual, is clearly inspired by Hebrew influenceThis is not a joke. I followed his link to the scientific breakdown of scientists' expert views and he was telling the truth. Also, I was circumcised in this manner, and now I speak Japanese. I think that evidence speaks for itself.
Irrefutable proof:
"A ritual such as a circumcision: a small piece of flesh from the crotch is left on the altar."
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - maenuro - 2015-05-25
ryuudou Wrote:May be true, but the dictionary ordering has nothing to do with the actual language. Frankly Japanese (particularly Old Japanese) has more in common with Egyptian than Sanskrit.Old Japanese is absolutely different to Egyptian.
Those two languages couldn't be more different.
Have a look at this: http://www.languagesgulper.com/eng/Egyptian.html
Interestingly, it has some features observed in Romance languages (although it's unrelated to them), like the distinction between indicative and subjunctive mood.