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Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - CharlesManslaughter - 2014-09-28
Tzadeck Wrote:I would have expected this thread to be revived by a "OMG, wtf was with this old ridiculous thread" post, rather than by another dimwit arguing in favor of the theory.I'm not arguing in favor for the theory, demwit, as I've stated, "whatever the case is." (I do not know) for all I know this theory is incorrect. The point I'm making is you know just as much Hebrew as the guy who originally presented this argument which is zero, to argue your point, at least explain your reasons to disagree otherwise I don't take you seriously. What do I know, I've only studied multiple languages what do I know, I forget you're a distinguished linguist historian.
as for the rest of you what does Christianity have to do with this?
Stansfield123 Wrote:CharlesManslaughter Wrote:you already know Japanese already has thousands of words with Hebrew origin and similarity recorded.We do?
Aikynaro Wrote:Oh god this horrible thread is back.Could be a thousand coincidences. Aren't you Japanese? Just study Hebrew for yourself.
Haiafa mi yotsia ma naane ykakhena tavo.
Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu, yottsu, itsutsu, muttsu, nanatsu, yattsu, kokonotsu, towo.
hadak hashem - hazukashime
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - RandomQuotes - 2014-09-28
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.Tzadeck Wrote:I would have expected this thread to be revived by a "OMG, wtf was with this old ridiculous thread" post, rather than by another dimwit arguing in favor of the theory.I'm not arguing in favor for the theory, demwit, as I've stated, "whatever the case is." (I do not know) for all I know this theory is incorrect. The point I'm making is you know just as much Hebrew as the guy who originally presented this argument which is zero, to argue your point, at least explain your reasons to disagree otherwise I don't take you seriously. What do I know, I've only studied multiple languages what do I know, I forget you're a distinguished linguist historian.
as for the rest of you what does Christianity have to do with this?
Stansfield123 Wrote:CharlesManslaughter Wrote:you already know Japanese already has thousands of words with Hebrew origin and similarity recorded.We do?Aikynaro Wrote:Oh god this horrible thread is back.Could be a thousand coincidences. Aren't you Japanese? Just study Hebrew for yourself.
Haiafa mi yotsia ma naane ykakhena tavo.
Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu, yottsu, itsutsu, muttsu, nanatsu, yattsu, kokonotsu, towo.
hadak hashem - hazukashime
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - SomeCallMeChris - 2014-09-28
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:The point I'm making is you know just as much Hebrew as the guy who originally presented this argument which is zero, to argue your point, at least explain your reasons to disagree otherwise I don't take you seriously.The kana were developed relatively recently and there's a very strong written historical record detailing exactly how they were developed. We have records indicating when each character from both syllabaries was developed and from which Chinese character it was developed.
Knowledge of Hebrew or any other language is completely irrelevant - no other theory is worth considering unless you first -disprove- the existing strong historical record. I don't think such a thing is possible, but that's where you have to start. Mere coincidence in sound and shape in the modern version of two languages simply isn't evidence in the face of a detailed historical written record.
Anyone who has a serious interest in written Japanese knows how well documented the kana development is, which is why nobody here considers this 'alternative theory' to be anything other than fanciful conspiracy theory.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Ash_S - 2014-09-28
SomeCallMeChris Wrote:Well said.CharlesManslaughter Wrote:The point I'm making is you know just as much Hebrew as the guy who originally presented this argument which is zero, to argue your point, at least explain your reasons to disagree otherwise I don't take you seriously.The kana were developed relatively recently and there's a very strong written historical record detailing exactly how they were developed. We have records indicating when each character from both syllabaries was developed and from which Chinese character it was developed.
Knowledge of Hebrew or any other language is completely irrelevant - no other theory is worth considering unless you first -disprove- the existing strong historical record. I don't think such a thing is possible, but that's where you have to start. Mere coincidence in sound and shape in the modern version of two languages simply isn't evidence in the face of a detailed historical written record.
Anyone who has a serious interest in written Japanese knows how well documented the kana development is, which is why nobody here considers this 'alternative theory' to be anything other than fanciful conspiracy theory.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - yudantaiteki - 2014-09-28
It's just a nonsensical theory from beginning to end.
I'm not sure this is mental illness, though -- people are able to believe a lot of things if they think it's in support of their pre-existing ideology or religion.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - qwertyytrewq - 2014-09-28
Oh, it's this thread and website (linked to in first post) again.
It seems the website/blog is still updated. Just a reminder that it is filled with all sorts of crazy. Recent entries include why evolution is wrong and shit about alien abductions.
Whether this hebrew/Japanese language stuff has any validity I don't know or care, but the fact that it is nestled within the rest of the cray cray website doesn't help.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Zgarbas - 2014-09-28
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:Could be a thousand coincidences. Aren't you Japanese? Just study Hebrew for yourself.Don't be flippant.
1. There is no need to study all the languages in the world in order to be a linguist. There is enough professional literature on the manner to get a good grasp of a language system in order to see coincidences for oneself, but in this case even that would be redundant since we all know enough about the Japanese language and system to dismiss any Hebrew origins based on the fact that we know their true etymologies.
2. Knowing a language does not a linguist make.
3. Linguistic coincidences, in the form of words which sound kind of the same, are a dime a dozen. To negate a verb in norwegian you would use ikke, and ikke means "go!" in Japanese. Gozo is a common first name in Japanese; Gozo also means semen in Portuguese (a language which *has* had direct influence on the language). Futoi means fat in Japanese, but "I have sex with sheep" in Romanian. That doesn't mean anything. Coincidence does not imply etymologycal relation.
4. When you *want* to see it, you bend facts to do so. Your similarities only list a few of them, the spelling is similar only by following a certain type of romanisation, and while I can't pronounce Hebrew I'd bet you that there is no similarity without it.
5. Actually let's just ignore linguistics and study History! Japanese history is well-recorded enough that we can, quite literally, list all the peoples they had had any sort of direct contact with. Really, there aren't many, and when they did interact with someone they made sure to write about it. This isn't the Indus Vally Civilisation; they have enough legible written records for us to know everything about them since they told us themselves.
6. If we were to give an argumented list for absolutely everything then we would die before we finished our first casual small talk. Sometimes, some ideas are just so out there that they can be dismissed, and the fact that you have to genuinely explain why is depressing (this goes for conspiracy theories in general).
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Inny Jan - 2014-09-28
Zgarbas Wrote:Don't be flippant.Why?
Zgarbas Wrote:Coincidece!==etymology.In languages like C/C++ (and similar), inequality is denoted by: !=
Basic uses: <>
Those who created that programming languages wanted to use as few characters as possible for such a common comparison
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Stansfield123 - 2014-09-28
Inny Jan Wrote:In languages like C/C++ (and similar), inequality is denoted by: !=No, they just didn't bother distinguishing between the concepts "equal" and "identical".
Basic uses: <>
Those who created that programming languages wanted to use as few characters as possible for such a common comparison
In some other languages, non-equal is denoted by "!=", and non-identical by "!==".
So there. Ball is in your court. Out-nerd that if you can.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Zgarbas - 2014-09-28
Actually, that was me accidentally shorthanding, sorry. I don't know any programming languages so I wouldn't know.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Inny Jan - 2014-09-29
Stansfield123 Wrote:V'z na byq gvzre (nqzvggrqyl jvgubhg orneq...) jub yvirf bs P/P++. Jro cebtenzzvat arire unq unir rabhtu nccrny gb zr gb ybbx ng vg frevbhfyl...Inny Jan Wrote:In languages like C/C++ (and similar), inequality is denoted by: !=No, they just didn't bother distinguishing between the concepts "equal" and "identical".
Basic uses: <>
Those who created that programming languages wanted to use as few characters as possible for such a common comparison
In some other languages, non-equal is denoted by "!=", and non-identical by "!==".
So there. Ball is in your court. Out-nerd that if you can.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - buonaparte - 2014-09-29
I'm certainly lucky I haven't read the thread.
kenate Wrote:Japanese kana have hebrew origin?Isn't the opposite true?
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Stansfield123 - 2014-09-29
buonaparte Wrote:Nigiro werbeh aveh anak esenapaj? That's just crazy.kenate Wrote:Japanese kana have hebrew origin?Isn't the opposite true?
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Stansfield123 - 2014-09-29
Inny Jan Wrote:V'z na byq gvzre (nqzvggrqyl jvgubhg orneq...) jub yvirf bs P/P++. Jro cebtenzzvat arire unq unir rabhtu nccrny gb zr gb ybbx ng vg frevbhfyl...I can't say for sure, but I think you win.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Inny Jan - 2014-09-29
@Stansfield123
You may want to use a PHP string function that does some kind of encoding. The function name does not start with 'convert' nor 'quoted' nor 'utf8'.
(Don't want to make it too obvious...)
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Linval - 2014-09-29
qwertyytrewq Wrote:Oh, it's this thread and website (linked to in first post) again.And a fair amount of incoherent rambling about the Illuminatis and Ayn Rand. A trustworthy source of information indeed !
It seems the website/blog is still updated. Just a reminder that it is filled with all sorts of crazy. Recent entries include why evolution is wrong and shit about alien abductions.
As a bright man once put it,
"Conspiracy theorists divide the world into "Everyone even remotely involved/qualified vs. Me," and decide that they'll win single-handedly. They're like Rambo with bullshit instead of bullets.
They tend to enjoy the ego-boost that comes with thinking of oneself as the only intelligent objector in a world of sheeple. When the government has to spend billions of dollars shuttling Elvis from Roswell to the Bermuda Triangle and back in black helicopters before you can feel good about yourself, you've got to be pretty tragic."
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - qwertyytrewq - 2014-09-29
Linval Wrote:The admin is also a born again Christian so expect him to question everything except his own religion.qwertyytrewq Wrote:Oh, it's this thread and website (linked to in first post) again.And a fair amount of incoherent rambling about the Illuminatis and Ayn Rand. A trustworthy source of information indeed !
It seems the website/blog is still updated. Just a reminder that it is filled with all sorts of crazy. Recent entries include why evolution is wrong and shit about alien abductions.
The tragic thing is that apparently he lives in Japan so he'll be doing his part to turn Japan into a South Korea.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - CharlesManslaughter - 2014-10-02
SomeCallMeChris Wrote:Thank you, for that I think I can take you seriously, and if that is the case why haven't any of you mentioned any of this 'strong existing historical record' in detail before?CharlesManslaughter Wrote:The point I'm making is you know just as much Hebrew as the guy who originally presented this argument which is zero, to argue your point, at least explain your reasons to disagree otherwise I don't take you seriously.The kana were developed relatively recently and there's a very strong written historical record detailing exactly how they were developed. We have records indicating when each character from both syllabaries was developed and from which Chinese character it was developed.
Knowledge of Hebrew or any other language is completely irrelevant - no other theory is worth considering unless you first -disprove- the existing strong historical record. I don't think such a thing is possible, but that's where you have to start. Mere coincidence in sound and shape in the modern version of two languages simply isn't evidence in the face of a detailed historical written record.
Anyone who has a serious interest in written Japanese knows how well documented the kana development is, which is why nobody here considers this 'alternative theory' to be anything other than fanciful conspiracy theory.
Again I'm not wanting this theory to be true.
If you dismiss something you know nothing of, just because it contradicts what you believe or know?
I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, it pisses me off when I see people demeaning others.
I'll take your word for it, kana doesn't have Hebrew origin.
If you knew kana and hebrew frontwards and back it would at least be intriguing to think about, that's why I commented in the first place, not to prove it, and if you feel so strongly about this why haven't you mentioned these individual character records?
I understand you, believe me, however I honestly do not think any of you understood what I was talking about earlier, of the structure similarity.
Again I take your word for it, now I would appreciate it if you would share with us all
the records you speak of.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - yudantaiteki - 2014-10-02
Go read books, there are several on the development of the Japanese script. One is Frellesvig's History of the Japanese Language.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - CharlesManslaughter - 2014-10-02
http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htm
this is unrelated but I thought it was interesting .
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - yudantaiteki - 2014-10-02
Can we just have this thread closed?
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Zgarbas - 2014-10-02
CharlesManslaughter Wrote:Share with us the records proving common knowledge for any Japanese learner.I think this book would be what you're looking for.
Here, have some hiragana from the early days.
And a pretty cool image that shows how hiragana evolves from kanji, though this of course only concerns hiragana as we know it, which is the result of a fairly recent standardisation process.
@yudanteiki: I don't like giving power to conspiracy theorists by closing threads and giving them the satisfaction of "being silenced by the man". Feels like giving a really messed up symbolic handjob to someone's ego.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - CharlesManslaughter - 2014-10-02
yudantaiteki Wrote:Go read books, there are several on the development of the Japanese script. One is Frellesvig's History of the Japanese Language.Thank you
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - CharlesManslaughter - 2014-10-02
Zgarbas Wrote:Lol yeaCharlesManslaughter Wrote:Share with us the records proving common knowledge for any Japanese learner.I think this book would be what you're looking for.
Here, have some hiragana from the early days.
And a pretty cool image that shows how hiragana evolves from kanji, though this of course only concerns hiragana as we know it, which is the result of a fairly recent standardisation process.
@yudanteiki: I don't like giving power to conspiracy theorists by closing threads and giving them the satisfaction of "being silenced by the man". Feels like giving a really messed up symbolic handjob to someone's ego.
Japanese kana have hebrew origin? - Ash_S - 2014-10-02
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