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What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - Xanpakuto - 2013-09-02
So I'm using this special deck that is takes out all the unnecessary kanji from RTK 1 + 3. It's still going in order of the primitives that Hesig introduces them, but it's very time consuming to look for the kanji in my book as his anki deck is for edition 4. This causes different lesson number and frames obviously making it hard for me to track which primitives are in it. So I was was wondering is it smart to study the primitives first, than study the kanji in the deck. There's links going straight to this sites stories from the deck, but I don't know the stories because it's using primitives I've never used.
Maybe an anki deck for RTK Primitives? Or if anyone have any idea what I should do instead please let me know, for now i'll just stop adding new cards and review what I have to think this out. I'm at frame 300. Thanks.
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - pmnox - 2013-09-02
I wanted to start learning primitives first, but I gave up on that idea. It turned out to be the right choice. I had to rename lots of heisig primitives with new ones that were suggested by the RewtK community. That made remembering much easier.
I found out that sometimes it is easier to memorize more kanjis than less of them. Some kanjis may not be used often, but are often used as a primitive like one on the right side of 酒. It takes about 2 minutes to learn a new kanji including reviews. That's why spending 1m looking for a kanji in a book is just waste of time. It is possible to study like 50-75 kanjis a day if you had contact with Japanese language before, if not then 25 is doable. I used to set the number of new cards to learn per day to 0. After doing the reviews I would just study as many cards as I want to without any pressure.
Btw, I don't recommend using Heisig mnemotics they are quite bad. Ones suggested by the community are much better. I got to like kanji 200, before I realized that. I had to relearn almost every mnemotics as his one was so hard to recall. The only thing that I looked up in his book were the descriptions of new primitives.
I recommend just doing regular RTK 1 deck. You can skip whole RTK 3, as those kanjis aren't used too often. I only added like 50-100 kanjis from RTK3 that appeared in the Core2/6k deck.
However, if you feel that studying primitives before doing the book is better for you. Go ahead xD. Everyone learns in a different way.
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - Xanpakuto - 2013-09-02
Any recommendations on how to study the primitives first? Maybe making primitives into anki cards perhaps?
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - pmnox - 2013-09-02
Xanpakuto Wrote:Any recommendations on how to study the primitives first? Maybe making primitives into anki cards perhaps?I would recommend making an Anki deck. I haven't seen any pre-made deck yet. You may have to make your own one. There are about 300 primitives out there, so you will need to create 300 cards.
Front page:
- English keyword for the primitive
Second page:
- Picture of the primitive or any kanji that uses it
- Heisig story for that primitive
- Index of the primitive in Heisig book to make searching for the primitive easier if needed.
I recommend creating production cards from the front to the back. If you do that you should have no problem with writing or recognizing particular primitive.
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - Xanpakuto - 2013-09-02
Thank you so much for your recommendation, i'm sure it will help a lot ^^. However, do you know where I can get these pictures of the primitives?
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - pmnox - 2013-09-02
Xanpakuto Wrote:Thank you so much for your recommendation, i'm sure it will help a lot ^^. However, do you know where I can get these pictures of the primitives?There are some dictionaries that allow you to check the unicode for each primitive. The only one that I know that does it is the Midori app on iPhone/iPad.
You could make pictures of them of them from the screen, but that would take lot's of effort. I recommend just typing one kanji that has such primitive and adding an annotation about which primitive you are talking about.
For example:
冰(left part) - ice
酒(left part) - drops of water
etc.
There were some Anki plugins that could generate stroke order for each kanji. Maybe they could be useful.
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - Xanpakuto - 2013-09-02
Like usual, this forum never fails to impress ^^
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - SomeCallMeChris - 2013-09-02
If you type 'bushu' and convert it, in addition to offering 部首 it will also offer a list of them; if you type the nickname for a 部首 you can convert that.
Primitives that aren't 部首 of course can't be generated this way, there's no character for them.
This page may help locating radicals as well, http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/radical-names.html
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - Vempele - 2013-09-02
A font for the primitives: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=2218#pid2218
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - lauri_ranta - 2013-09-03
Katsuo has posted a list of RTK primitive names for the 214 traditional radicals at http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=11360#pid11360.
I made http://lri.me/japanese/kanji-elements.html for reviewing kanji that appear as part of other RTK kanji. It only includes characters that appear as actual kanji though, and it uses keywords (not primitive names) as the English phrases you're supposed to associate with the kanji.
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - vgambit - 2013-09-03
pmnox Wrote:I found out that sometimes it is easier to memorize more kanjis than less of them. Some kanjis may not be used often, but are often used as a primitive like one on the right side of 酒.As someone who had significant difficulty attempting to learn RtK Lite, I agree with this. Once you start trimming kanji, you remove a lot of the repetition that helps you remember *all* kanji. What good is a primitive if you only use it for one or two kanji?
What if I just learned all the primitives in order of Hesig FIRST - buonaparte - 2013-09-03
Probably some useful info about kanji and radicals.
http://users.bestweb.net/%7Esiom/martian_mountain/JCP/JCtexts.7z
All the documents with !K at the beginning.