ktcgx Wrote:I think that's it's better to do it the 'pure' method, and then just add the readings later... You're only really needing the writing, because you already can recognise and read a lot of kanji, right? So don't clutter your study with things you already know.^^

buonaparte Wrote:As far as I understand your problem, I may by wrong of course, you don't seem to know
1. kanji stroke order rules - they are very simple
2. bushu (radicals) and their Japanese names.

You can find all the necessary info here:
http://users.bestweb.net/%7Esiom/martian_mountain/K.7z
The file includes two fonts as well: stroke orders and calligraphic font.
There are html files there with all new jouyou kanji list with example words. One of the lists is in Heisig order.

You may find this offline dictionary useful too.
http://zkanji.sourceforge.net/

lauri_ranta Wrote:If you have access to a Unix shell:

ktcgx Wrote:I think that's it's better to do it the 'pure' method, and then just add the readings later... You're only really needing the writing, because you already can recognise and read a lot of kanji, right? So don't clutter your study with things you already know.^^

choubatsu Wrote:

ktcgx Wrote:I think that's it's better to do it the 'pure' method, and then just add the readings later... You're only really needing the writing, because you already can recognise and read a lot of kanji, right? So don't clutter your study with things you already know.^^

I see. Is there a downloadable list? Or do you have to do it through the site? I use Anki.

EratiK Wrote:If you go to the Reviewing the Kanji main site, the vocab shuffle in the Labs tab just does that. One condition though, it has to be a learned kanji (three or more succesful reviews).

Inny Jan Wrote:@lauri_ranta
Cleverly done

@choubatsu
If your machine is Mac you do have access to Unix command line - this is where lauri_ranta's command can be executed. Below is my attempt to make his script a bit more accessible (# [nb] is a comment and as such has no significance on execution of the command):

Code:

# [1]
for x in edict_sub kanjidic; do
    curl ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/$x |
        iconv -f euc-jp -t utf-8 > $x.txt
done

sed -rn 's/^([^ ]+).* L([0-9]+) .*/\2 \1/p' kanjidic.txt | # [2]
    sort -n | # [3]
    sed -n 1,94p | # [4]
    cut -d ' ' -f2 | # [5]
    tr -d '\n' | # [6]
    ruby -KUe '
        kanji=STDIN.read # [7]
        puts IO.read("edict_sub.txt"). # [8]
            scan(/^([#{kanji}]{2}) \[(.*?)\] \/(?:\(.*?\) )*(.*?)\//). # [9]
            map{|l|l.join("\t")}' # [10]

[1]
Download publicly available kanji dictionaries:
Edict and Kanjidic - save them to edict_sub.txt and kanjidic.txt files

[2]
From all lines in kanjidic.txt select a kanji and its frame number - print them as (number, kanji)

[3]
Sort the output of [2] - this sorts the kanji according to the frame number

[4]
From the output of [3] select lines from 1 to 94, ie. the first 94 frames

[5]
From the output of [4] strip out the first column (the frame number)

[6]
From the output of [5] remove linebreaks - all the selected kanji are concatenated on one line now

[7]
Store the output of [6] to a variable 'kanji'

[8]
Read in edict_sub.txt

[9]
In the string created at [8] select complete entries that contain two kanji compounds, the characters for the compounds are only those that are stored in the 'kanji' variable

[10]
The output of [9] is (compound, reading, meaning) each on a separate line - join those with a tab character. This is our final output.

yogert909 Wrote:I just ran it and pasted the output below. Apparently it only goes up to frame 94.

yogert909 Wrote:Hey Aldebrn, thanks. I figured that out but I just didn't want to fill the thread with 1000s of lines of text. I know just enough about programming to make small edits to existing scripts, but not enough to write anything novel unfortunately. I'd love to be able to come up with the kinds of things you write, but I don't have the time to learn unfortunately.

Btw, is fuzzy-anki still working? I've tried it recently and it didn't seem to be working like it did the first few times.

aldebrn Wrote:so anyone can easily build lists like this given (1) some kanji and (2) a corpus of text. (Especially now that MeCab runs in Javascript, we can have all kinds of linguistic parsing fun in the browser.)

choubatsu Wrote:

aldebrn Wrote:so anyone can easily build lists like this given (1) some kanji and (2) a corpus of text. (Especially now that MeCab runs in Javascript, we can have all kinds of linguistic parsing fun in the browser.)

That's basically what I'm looking for. A way to enter in a certain number of Kanji and extract from a corpus only the compounds which contain those Kanji.

choubatsu Wrote:I'd love to learn how to do it myself but as I mentioned, I have zero experience with things like mecab. Do you have any advice on how to get started using programs like mecab? Or to get started learning how to do basic code for linguistic problems?