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What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - greeeed - 2012-12-04
Could anyone please tell me any good book after An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese?
Right now I am in 5th lesson but I would rather to order next book right now since it will take about month to arrive...
And anyone know if I can start reading 2 kyuu grammar book after AIATIJ or it will be better if I read 3 kyuu grammar book first?
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - kitakitsune - 2012-12-04
What kind of learning goals do you have?
I ask because at the next level Japanese textbooks start branching out into different directions more. For example, JLPT, business Japanese, technical stuff, reading newspapers, writing letters, breaking into literature, etc.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - greeeed - 2012-12-04
kitakitsune Wrote:What kind of learning goals do you have?I know it sound silly but I start learning Japanese one year~ ago to play SRW games.
I ask because at the next level Japanese textbooks start branching out into different directions more. For example, JLPT, business Japanese, technical stuff, reading newspapers, writing letters, breaking into literature, etc.
Though now my goal become little bigger since I am trying to read LN too.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - Rina - 2012-12-04
read online articles and use jlpt textbooks for grammar.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - Arupan - 2012-12-04
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What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - PotbellyPig - 2012-12-04
There's the Tobira textbook which is generally considered a bit more advanced than An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. I've looked through it a bit and it looks like it can lead one towards the N2 level though I doubt it covers all the N2 grammar points so you'll probably have to supplement it . The vocabulary in it is drawn from the N2 tests as is described in the introduction. There's also "Authentic Japanese: Progressing from Intermediate to Advanced" but by reading the description on Amazon it may even be for going beyond N2 but I don't own it so I can't be sure.
I've finished Genki 1 and 2 and am currently going through Tae Kim's Grammar guide to fill in the gaps that were not covered in Genki. I then plan to go straight to Tobira and try going through it. I also have Kanzen Master 2kyuu for grammar so I may go through those two books at the same time.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - greeeed - 2012-12-04
CarolinaCG Wrote:read online articles and use jlpt textbooks for grammar.That what I plan to do after I am done with AIATIJ.
Though I don't know which book should I buy...
(Limited budget = so I would rather to buy useful books.)
From what I read this books should be more than enough for JLPT N2 grammar:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%AE%9F%E5%8A%9B%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97-%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E8%A9%A6%E9%A8%932%E7%B4%9A-%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E7%B7%A8-%E6%9D%BE%E6%9C%AC-%E7%AF%80%E5%AD%90/dp/4896894308/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354633968&sr=1-7
Arupan Wrote:The same reason I decided to learn the language (lol) Which one? I think the first alpha (for the PS1) is the best in terms of story.I like all of them.
PotbellyPig Wrote:There's the Tobira textbook which is generally considered a bit more advanced than An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. I've looked through it a bit and it looks like it can lead one towards the N2 level though I doubt it covers all the N2 grammar points so you'll probably have to supplement it . The vocabulary in it is drawn from the N2 tests as is described in the introduction. There's also "Authentic Japanese: Progressing from Intermediate to Advanced" but by reading the description on Amazon it may even be for going beyond N2 but I don't own it so I can't be sure.You mean this one?
I've finished Genki 1 and 2 and am currently going through Tae Kim's Grammar guide to fill in the gaps that were not covered in Genki. I then plan to go straight to Tobira and try going through it. I also have Kanzen Master 2kyuu for grammar so I may go through those two books at the same time.
http://www.amazon.com/Tobira-Advanced-Japanese-Learning-Multimedia/dp/4874244475
Hmmm, to bad I already started reading AIATIJ...
But it look the same as AIATIJ though AIATIJ will only make you ready to enter N2 world not to pass it to N1 like Genki 1(5 to 4) and Genki 2 (4 to 3). It's more like middle ground between "new" N3 and N2)
I only choose to read it because people said it's Genki III....
But it is good book regardless (at least for first 5 chapters).
And
http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Japanese-Progressing-Intermediate-Advanced/dp/4789009181
I think this one is for middle ground between N2 and N1.
(I didn't reach N2 yet but I'll keep it for future reference.)
About Kanzen Master 2kyuu for grammar...
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4883190889
To be or not to be that is the question...
I was plan to buy unicom but now I am confused...
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - imabi - 2012-12-04
To fill in other gaps, it wouldn't hurt also to check out my site because I do go over all the points you need to know and more than that. And, if you feel week in something, I've got the examples that most places other than dictionaries don't.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - prink - 2012-12-04
At my school, An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese was used in third year Japanese classes. Fourth year used Images of Japan: For Pre-Advanced and Advanced Learners of Japanese. http://www.amazon.com/Images-Japan-Pre-Advanced-Advanced-Learners/dp/0860085376
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - PotbellyPig - 2012-12-04
prink Wrote:At my school, An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese was used in third year Japanese classes. Fourth year used Images of Japan: For Pre-Advanced and Advanced Learners of Japanese. http://www.amazon.com/Images-Japan-Pre-Advanced-Advanced-Learners/dp/0860085376I never heard of that 4th year textbook before. Did you learn a lot from it?
Greeeed: yeah that's the Tobira textbook that I was refering to. It's supposed to be pretty good but like you said it might be overkill to do both it and the one you are currently reading. For the JLPT N2 grammar I chose the old Kanzen Master 2kyuu since it seems that a ton of people on this site have used it. Plus there is a spreadsheet floating around with all the sentences in it and even a pdf that someone put together with some brief explanation notes for each point.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - Rina - 2012-12-04
Yes yes. After an integrated approach I used tobira!
After/during tobira start reading the news to gain vocab, it might be boring, but you gain a lot of vocab. another thing you can do is read articles that interest you. in my case (see my blog and twitter, because they're filled with those links) I like to read stuff like lifehacker, globalization and japan related articles.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - prink - 2012-12-04
PotbellyPig Wrote:Yeah, it's a good set of books. One book is almost entirely reading, and the other has grammar explanations, vocab and practice. Probably in the N3 to N2 range of skill.prink Wrote:At my school, An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese was used in third year Japanese classes. Fourth year used Images of Japan: For Pre-Advanced and Advanced Learners of Japanese. http://www.amazon.com/Images-Japan-Pre-Advanced-Advanced-Learners/dp/0860085376I never heard of that 4th year textbook before. Did you learn a lot from it?
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30038909?uid=3739736&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101451437351
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - PotbellyPig - 2012-12-05
CarolinaCG Wrote:Yes yes. After an integrated approach I used tobira!CarolinaCG, do you think it is a good idea to go through both books or can I jump straight to Tobira? I completed Genki I and II and finished adding cards to Core 6000. I am finishing up going through Tae Kim now. I was going to use Tobira next but if it seems too hard I guess I can try the integrated approach book.
Also, for memorizing grammar in the books, does everyone use Anki sentence cards? I kind of like to keep Anki to studying vocabulary and the corresponding sentences. But it seems a lot of people use close delete in Anki for grammar.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - Rina - 2012-12-05
PotbellyPig Wrote:if you have the chance to use an integrated approach use it. you can go through it really fast, because it doesn't have that many grammar points, and it has no exercises. just srs it and you'll be done in like 2 weeks. then tobira, then jlpt muke no textbooks. and of course, watch a lot of drama and anime or whatever you like. I listened to ogura yuuko's radio show and watched dramas and it worked for me.CarolinaCG Wrote:Yes yes. After an integrated approach I used tobira!CarolinaCG, do you think it is a good idea to go through both books or can I jump straight to Tobira? I completed Genki I and II and finished adding cards to Core 6000. I am finishing up going through Tae Kim now. I was going to use Tobira next but if it seems too hard I guess I can try the integrated approach book.
Also, for memorizing grammar in the books, does everyone use Anki sentence cards? I kind of like to keep Anki to studying vocabulary and the corresponding sentences. But it seems a lot of people use close delete in Anki for grammar.
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - PotbellyPig - 2012-12-05
CarolinaCG Wrote:if you have the chance to use an integrated approach use it. you can go through it really fast, because it doesn't have that many grammar points, and it has no exercises. just srs it and you'll be done in like 2 weeks. then tobira, then jlpt muke no textbooks. and of course, watch a lot of drama and anime or whatever you like. I listened to ogura yuuko's radio show and watched dramas and it worked for me.Thanks for the advice! I took a look at yor blog and you seem to be doing very well in your Japanese studies. Just one more question, when you SRS from these books do you usually create cloze delete type cards or do you just put the sentence on the front and the translation/gammar point on the back? I've been debating which way to set up the decks. Until now I haven't SRSed grammar points since it hasn't been too complicated to remember. But now the grammar points seem to be increasing exponentially and getting harder to rememvber :>
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - Rina - 2012-12-05
take a look at this
https://twitter.com/i/#!/ayupt/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2Fin7eiwZO
What after "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"? - greeeed - 2012-12-06
Thanks everyone for your advise.
And from what I understand I should use Tobira after AIATIJ with JLPT N2 grammar book, right?
By the way,for anyone who is learning Japanese to read LN(like me),
it's a lot easier/better to read LN in Kindle than to read it in real book, since it's easier to find unknown kanji reading/meaning with it.
Because in my real book it's hard to search meaning/reading for unknown kanji.
But in Kindle I just need to click on any unknown kanji to find it's reading and meaning (JPN-JPN)
In other word, instead of wasting 5min~ to find kanji reading/meaning >>>> you can find it easily with just one click^^.